Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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1 December 2009
14:0834152Yes thats right. From midnight last night the United Kingdom is no longer a soveriegn nation, we are now subordinate to the European State.
Article One of the 1933 Montevideo Convention on the Rights and Duties of States says that:
"The state as a person of international law should possess the following qualifications: (a) a permanent population; (b) a defined territory; (c) government; and (d) capacity to enter into relations with the other states."
Previously the EU met (a), (b) and (c).
From last night it meets d) Thanks to the Lisbon Treaty, now fully in force, it has "legal personality", with the right to sign treaties. The EU now has a foreign minister, a diplomatic service and 16o overseas embassies.
The EU is also self-amending. The UK Parliament no longer has the final say on extensions of EU responsibilities.
Previously we could just walk out of the EU by repealing the 1972 European Communities Act. But now it will have to go through the procedure laid down in the Lisbon Treaty. Basically the EU gets to settle the terms on which its members are allowed to leave.
This is all done without the approval of the British people via the referendum Labour promised in the election.
Well, to hell with the EU. We will just have to get out and on our terms even if that means ignoring EU laws and sticking two fingers up at the EU Fascists. It will happen.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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1 December 2009
14:2834154Barry I think it is time you and others come over to U.k.I.P.The party is still going to fight on and try to get us out,I will know more after Saturday how that will happen.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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1 December 2009
14:5434157Never Vic - a political graveyard with no hope of power or influencing policy.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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1 December 2009
14:5634158We will see after next May
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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1 December 2009
17:5334170rather ironic that a norman arrow took away our independence in 1066, and in the year that the "norman arrow" arrived in dover our major political parties decided to hand it over again.
at least william of normandy had to fight for it.
1 December 2009
18:2434180BarryW - I am right behind you in your militancy. Out bloody rageous!!!!
Guest 673- Registered: 16 Jun 2008
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1 December 2009
18:5434183So Edward Heath's vision finally becomes reality. Rather a shame that he is no longer here to celebrate it.
"When an earlier Conservative prime minister, Harold Macmillan, first applied to join the then European Common Market in the early 1960s, Heath was in charge of the unsuccessful British negotiating team. His widely praised work won him the Charlemagne prize.
Shortly before Heath became prime minister in 1970, the third British application to join the Common Market had been submitted by Labour's Harold Wilson. But Wilson's singleness of purpose was in doubt. Heath's was not. On October 28 1971, the Commons voted with a 112 majority to go into Europe."
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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1 December 2009
19:0634185So what will be the first signs of Europeanism for us?
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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1 December 2009
19:0934186good question colin, no-one really knows the full answer yet.
i did notice though that the cheap shoe shop near boots has started stocking a rather fetching range of jack boots.
there is a rumour that urinating in the street will be legalised too.
don't hold me to it.
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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1 December 2009
19:1534187Perhaps we`ll be driving on the right Howard, though some drivers have been doing it here for years.
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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1 December 2009
20:2034193thin end of the wedge colin, before we know it our apple orchards will be destroyed and we will have to plant spaghetti trees in their place.
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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1 December 2009
20:2234194For Richard Dimbleby`s spaghetti harvest?
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
Guest 686- Registered: 5 May 2009
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2 December 2009
00:3434208That really sucks!
It's past time to get the heck out of Dodge it seems to me.
Phil West
If at first you don't succeed, use a BIGGER hammer!!
2 December 2009
00:4534209I have said it before and I will say it again: Why the hell are we spending millions, and watching young guys die, to spread democracy in far off lands when we deny it to ourselves so blatantly? What value does democracy have when we are denied it in such a wholesale manner? Why should we support the fight to spread it elsewhere when we can't have it at home?
This government is so full of s**t you can smell it all the way in Brussels.
Guest 693- Registered: 12 Nov 2009
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2 December 2009
11:0534217Quite right Rick.......we have never been given the opportunity to actually say yay or nay to whether or not the British people want to belong to this arbitrary European mish-mash of disparate nations, and until such time as we are given that vote, this will rumble on and on. Double standards from a discredited British Government; would the Tories be any better though? Despite Barry's obviously strong feelings about the matter, have we heard one word about a referendum on this subject from Messrs Cameron etc.? No.
Laugh at Vic as many do, at least with UKIP you know where you stand.
True friends stab you in the front.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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2 December 2009
11:2934219surely the answer is now to sack all at the foreign office and those in the diplomatic services.
we do not need them anymore.
after that sack all the MP's, as laws are not made here anymore.
then watch the politicians do something.
2 December 2009
21:3034252And while we're at it, scrap the four-yearly election process because it is no longer relevant seeing as our rules now come from an unelected body of Eurocrats. Call me a drama queen, but for christ's sake, isn't this how fascism is made?