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    Ross -

    One of the more vocal opponents to the scheme has admitted to have not even read Charlie's proposals, if that does not deserve condesension and indeed contempt, then I really do not know what does. That person is arguing against the principal of change, any change at all. Another other person is also demanding detail but, unlike you, has expressed no interest/support ''in principal' and reading his posts is also clearly opposed to any change, 'in principal' and has always been opposed to any form of privatisation of anything.

    The details you demand are, of course, important - the financial ones in respect of raising the finance and proving to the authorities that the scheme is viable. The other items are detail that can be worked up and debated at a later stage in progressing concept in order to achieve in the best possible way Charlie's, and our, objectives. Charlie has said that he want a public vote and for that those matters will need to be aired. Many of these can be changed/adjusted after consultation and are not fixed.

    Right now though that detail is not important. How many members of the public would apprectiate the financial details and understand them, very few. We have seen already how those who are opposed to any change, whatever form of change, are willing to disect figures - figures can be made to mean whatever you want as you well know.

    Right now what is important is to get behind Charlie, to agree 'in principal', in the way many are opposing the scheme (any scheme) 'in principal'. He needs to get this on the table and to get it taken seriously he needs public support. Without public support he does not stand a chance in hell of getting the Minister to take it further - to delay the DHB scheme and give Charlie a chance. Yes there remains a lot to prove but the easy thing to do would be for the Minister just to sign up to DHB, he is trying to prevent that.

    Principal first, then the detail.

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