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  It is not a 'huge' NATO presence PaulB, far from it. Relative to the area and terrain there are far too few troops to do the job and hold ground. The half hearted and inadequate response from many of our NATO allies certainly does not help.
  
  In every engagement NATO troops come out on top and the Taliban suffer far heavier casualties. Unfortunately this war cannot be won only by conventional means. The Afghan Government has a role, with NATO forces, in a hearts and minds operation. Often heavy handed American methods dont help but the Afghan Government seems ineffectual from reports I have read.
  
  I think it is wrong to say that the Taliban are winning but we certainly are not winning, as such.

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