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    thanks for info chris, on the subject of your last sentence i totally disagree.

    the issue here is tribalism not religion, the regions in the north east of pakistan and their counterparts over the border are only interested in their own freedom to run the show how they like.

    i doubt whether the rest of pakistan or any other islamic nation is interested in what goes in afghanistan.

    until patronising people in the west understand that the people of afghanistan have no interest in western democracy then the war will continue. the army and police there may pretend to be acting as independent forces interested in law and order, this is only a front to make the alliance pack up and go so that they can live their lives as they wish to.

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