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  I don't think I have bashed any 'toffs' in my post Barry. I'm not having a go at the people just this rather antiquated pastime (which is all it is). That being said it does seem to be be the pursuit of individuals from a certain social standing. Trust me if this were a working class activity it would not make it any less silly, all those people to kill one fox...come on you must agree this has very little to do with controlling the fox population and everything to do with the tradition of a certain class. The banning of the hunts is a class statement, but it doesn't detract from the ridiculous nature of the act, which is my point.
  
  Although a 'townie' I have been shooting with friends from the farming community, mostly for rabbits. It's a pretty effective way of killing things and you don't really see them stumble off with a flesh wound. If it's good enough for the young fit foxes surely it's good enough for the old ones too. I love the fact that you suggest that by targeting the sick and old it almost doing the fox a favour...almost like fox euthanasia. Heading out into open country side during hunt season must be like booking into a swiss clinic for them. Survival of the fittest? I don't think Darwin would too impressed with this logic of killing the weak to let the fit thrive in an attempt to control a population.
  
  'That is why hunting should be restored - for the sake of animals, including the foxes themselves'
  
  You may as well say: 'Bring back fox hunting for the sake of the foxes if nothing else'.
  
  As for protecting animals from other animals we are in crazy teritory. I'm with Aristotle on this one and animals live for their own sake, so will act without reason...and kill chickens. To then impose our morality onto them is pointless.
  
  I've never seen a chicken massacre Barry but I'm sure it involve much the same thing as the end result in a fox hunt...an animal getting ripped limb from limb by another.
  
  I have very little concern for chicken or fox welfare but I do for human behaviour and this it is silly to suggest this activity is anything other than a pastime that some find fun.

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