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  Again, I know exactly what your getting at Sid, I`ve always thought about those empty seats over the years, but if those seats are being occupied, they must be paid for, regardless of whether it`s free staff travel, pensioner`s or government subsidies. I do not think that any government would ever consider subsidising the over 65 population of this country for free rail travel, and regarding the off peak trains, obviously some routes are going to be more patronised than others, and I`m pretty sure that the cities would be favourite destination`s.

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