Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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The name Dubris, Dover's old name, comes from Celtic, Dubras, and means: The Waters. The name Dubris, with an i, is probably a dative-locative form giving the meaning: by the waters. It is a river name, no-doubt refering to our river Dour, but which remained the name of the town.
The name Kent is also Celtic, from Cantion, with the probable meaning of: coastal district, or even corner land, or land on the edge. It could also mean: land of the armies.
Guest 686- Registered: 5 May 2009
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Thanks AD, most enlightening. I can see how, over time, the spelling of the name of the town may have changed but with one exception. How, when and why did the name change from Dovor to Dover? There are one or two examples of the older spelling around, though the only one I can think of at this moment is on the face of a clock which hangs on the wall in the tea rooms at Crabble Corn Mill. A quick "Google" of the older spelling revealed a pdf file of a letter dated 1845.
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Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Don't start on DOVOR, you will get started with Vic trying to change the town name again !!!!
Been nice knowing you :)
That'll be Royal Dovor I presume?
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Of course Sid, plus a George Cross!!
Phil West
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i think there is a milestone in the london road with the "dovor" spelling.
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Phil, the answer may lie in the name Dubris Dovorum. However, the dictionaries so far consulted do not give any explanation of this full name. If I am right, Dubris Dovorum should be the full name, and Dovorum is the Latin genitive plural case of Dovor. It means: Dubris of the Dovorians.
Dour, our river, derives its name from the same word origin, and actually means: river. Whether Dovorian is a derivation of Dubris, and originally refers to the inhabitants of our town, is still object of research on my part. Yet, the people here were part of the Cantici, the Celtic tribe deriving its name from Kantion, Kent. (Also Canterbury, which comes from the Celtic Kent and the Anglo Saxon: people and burgh. Cantarabyrig, meaning: town of the people of Kent.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i dread to think what the spelling of folkestone was in those days.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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It was all in the papers about two years ago when I wanted to change Dover into its right name of Dovor.
There are still miles stones on the way to London withour town on them and it is DOVOR.
Guest 686- Registered: 5 May 2009
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Thanks AD. Not exactly cleared up the mystery for me but well on the way.
Vic: I'm sure there are quite a few buried in hedgerows around the county - but who changed it to its current spelling, when and why? Would it have needed some sort of statutory instrument to make the change? If so then surely there's something an archive or library somewhere. Personally I think it's a bit late in the day to change things back; and where would you stop? Change it back to Dubris Dovorum perhaps? I think not.
Phil West
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Well Phil I might just start the ball rolling again on this one.
I still have all the paper cuts out on this one and will look at them again and just----I did write aletter to the Dover in the USA on this one.
Guest 686- Registered: 5 May 2009
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I think you'd be flogging a dead horse on this one. If it got nowhere the first time around I can't see it getting of the ground this time either.
Phil West
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Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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Bet it won't make the paper again,Vic,you are losing your touch I am in the papers 4 times today,lol
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
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Vic
I thought there were several Dovers in the USA.
Guest 700- Registered: 11 Jun 2010
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Click on Dover Society website, to see what other Dovers there are:
http://doversociety.homestead.com/DaughtersofDover.html
The name of the town always was Dovor, in the old newspapers, and especially in all the old records.
Like other words which have changed over the years, it has become Dover with usage.
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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John.Sorry but I do not care mate ,if I am in the papers or not.
Please go ahead you can be in each week if that is what you are looking for.Just to add to this one John,what I am puting on next year is in both the locals papers today, I try to read all the paper.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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john
three of the mentions were related to your lothario behaviour.