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  Howard I did live in the country ,our home had very basic facilities .My husband also grew up in a low income family .WE both had drive and ambition and yes my son did go to Public school on merit .I can see hopefully both sides of the story and it is up to an individual to make the most of what they have .It wasnt a council house Howard my parents were well into their seventies before they qualified meanwhile we had a tin bath and an outside loo,not quite your public school image is it .A very good article in the Daily Mail today .I fear for the future we cannot all be leveled down we need to have inspirations and dreams .No not those Oxford ones .
  Bern yes I think we do share some ideals .I think you are better at the debate ,however Im a very determined person and I will always work for what I believe in .Im sure you are the same my daughter has a hand on approach sees first hand what problems are .Im the same I look at problems then try to sort them out .I cant resolve everything ,and sometimes the answer has to be No I like the bleating part because we are slowly turning into a Nanny state ..

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