howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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10 November 2010
16:4779468it has emerged today that out new government are planning to pay foreign criminals the sum of £.1500 to return to their homeland after completing their sentence.
the scheme was brought in about 4 years ago by the last government to howls of derision from the then opposition, the sum then was £.600.
to put this further into perspective the £.1500 of tax payers money is paid to convicted murderers, rapists and other violent offenders.
10 November 2010
17:2679481Howard,
Why should this bit of info surprise you??
European law forbids us ejecting these people so what is the alternative???
Now of it was up to me a, .303 Lee Enfield springs to mind!!
Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
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10 November 2010
21:5979536Don't Ryan Air fly to most places for as little as €1 why cant we stick them on one of their flights and send them on their way?
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
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While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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10 November 2010
22:0979540jimmy/ross
the problem seems to be about legal costs, hence the money offered.
must be little comfort for the people that work on the minimum wage and are confronted with higher v.a.t. and living costs.
10 November 2010
22:2079548Irritating as this may seem, long term it saves money. In many cases one of the main challenges to deportation is the country of origin who often refuse to recognise the deportee, which has the effect of preventing deportation. And persuading or forcing repatriation takes longer and costs more than simple bribery. Job done.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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11 November 2010
08:0079584In most instances we know where they come from, or at least the country they came from before entering Britain - for instance, if they're found on a truck in Dover, they must tell us which country they came from, or it will be assumed France.
Similar with airlines.
This must be a condition on allowing them to stay here while their case is reviewed. They should also be told that if they commit any crime, they will be deported to their home-country or where they came to Britiain from.
If the Government followed this, we wouldn't have any foreign prisoners in our prisons - simples !
Roger
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11 November 2010
08:2479587a 9mm Glock would be less messy and more practical at short range Jimmy
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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11 November 2010
14:3079634does anyone know why it is so difficult to deport foreign convicted criminals?
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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11 November 2010
16:25796421.Its difficult to deport anyone with right of abode in the UK.
2.If the offender is married with British kids
3.British passport holder
4.They may refuse to give their correct name and nationality so where do you deport them to
5.other countries may refuse to accept them back
6.political asylum claim
7.MP's may make representations upon the offenders behalf for them to remain
8.Time spent in UK
9.Nature of offence
10.They go missing after being granted temporary admission or bail
If you eventually get rid of the offender either by deportation or by offering a cash incentive most obtain another i/d and passport and simply return to the UK.
Howard
Hope that explains some of the difficulties that face the UKBA.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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11 November 2010
16:4779653tanks for info marek.
rather confirms my point about the cash incentive.
i know for a fact that some of our local residents have more than set of identity documents, quite cheap to buy before they leave their country of origin.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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16 November 2010
16:2780290well the subject hit home today when i read an article about a father of a 12 year daughter that was run over and left to die by a failed asylum seeker.
the iraqi man was disqualified from driving at the time and of course, had no insurance.
he served 4 years in prison which seems excessively lenient bearing in mind he had a string of previous convictions.
since coming out he been convicted of many more offences including drug dealing, demanding money with menaces, drunk driving, criminal damage, the list is long.
shrewdly he got married to a british subject on his release then fathered two children, his counsel argued that in court that he was vital to the family unit, helping his children to read and write.
the man is illiterate.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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16 November 2010
18:2380316Just showes the total lack of justice in the British Justice system.
There is so much rubbish spoken by defence lawyers - and all of it it seems, believed by teh Judges.
Why are they so out of touch with reality ?
Sickening.
Roger
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16 November 2010
23:0180373I think in the case of lying to the Court, the counsel could be charged, it's a serious offense!
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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17 November 2010
07:5880398I've been in a Court and listened to the defence lawyer's summing up about their client (in this case they guy who burgled our house) and it was the biggest load of baloney I've ever heard. It got his sentence reduced by quite a lot though, so bull-shit works.
Roger
17 November 2010
09:4680420That is what legal reps do, Roger - they mangle (sorry, interpret) the legal system to benefit the client. When I am the client I think that is great - when I am on the other side of the system I think it sucks.............
Jan Higgins
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17 November 2010
11:0880441Bern, I am beginning to think we are on the same wavelength this morning, yet again I agree with you.
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17 November 2010
11:2580448howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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17 November 2010
12:3380463how could the counsel who gets this particular killer and general criminal face his family when he went home?
i suppose the lucrative legal aid money softens the guilt.
17 November 2010
12:5880465S/he just interprets the law. Job done. There is some intellectual satisfaction to be gained from that, even if it is dubious in some respects. If we disagree with the outcomes it is the legalities that need changing, not the interpreters.
Keith Sansum1
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17 November 2010
18:2480524fully agree bern
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