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    Thanks Howard - yes, they were the reasons and I also understand that the cleanliness of Guys (and most if not all the hospitals) is so much better now.

    Bern - I'm sorry, I cannot agree with any of your arguments about the reasons of the supposed self-centredness and privatisatiion problems, although I do admit that there have been some very severe problems, but they were caused through individual greed, rather than the system itself.




    Roger

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