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    It is not your council that is either castrating or restraining. It is a planning system that bequeaths on outside agencies the ability to thwart development.

    Andy I was not referring to competition with Dover but the failure to deliver the retail margins at Folkestone and also THE PLANNING CARBUNCLE.

    Without financial viability you get neither development or good design Brian.

    On every occasion over past years it is financial viability that causes the withdrawal from schemes.

    Why are they not queueing to come to Dover?

    I'd love to be having a beauty contest for leisure, retail and commercial. Just maybe, just, if the right package is put forward. Currently nothing that meets Forumites aspirations has come forward despite wide ranging planning briefs that invites all those components or combinations of the same.

    The recent meeting that considered "the Lanes" concept has been around for years yet no developer has put it forward for realistic competition.

    Watty.

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