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  I agree with most of your posting there Harry but for one thing. Back in the 60's you would creep into pubs while slightly underage partly in order to feel more grown-up. The pubs then were very much an adult environment, possibly helped by the two bar system (the public bar where you drank with your mates and the saloon where you took your dates). In those days you went in to feel older, now you go in, are greeted with blaring hip-hop, bright lights and shelves full of drinks designed to disguise the taste so much you don't know you are having a drink and you feel too old to be there. Perhaps if pubs had stayed as adult establishments instead of all joining the rush to become licensed restaurants more would still be viable.

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