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    roger;
    i think we come from the same standpoint on this one, but i think you will find its as frustrating for the officers.

    will direct action(fines) etc work, will they pay them

    im still interested if

    1; the council will actual do anything apart from keep talking to them, but lots of
    dosh already spent doing this and it clearly hasnt worked

    2; what action the council will definatly take

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