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  Ross, I couldn't agree more. I think I object to the imposition of false modesty on women of other cultures, the implication of their impurity being at the heart of the dogma, as much as the blatant exploitation of kiddie sexuality in Western culture. In both examples women and girls are being used and exploited, objectified and reduced.
  
  Mark - those examples are exceptionally valid and ring true. I think, though, that along with the irish question and slavery we need to move on and away: we can atone as much as we like for others past misdeeds, but what counts is how we behave now, right at this moment. That implies that we can learn from the past as well as regret it.

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