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  Gary, I fail to see how any form of ID card will ever stop lawyers exploiting legal loopholes. Ross has eloquantly pointed out the steps needed to make such things harder. As to your assertion that BarryW is 'going over the top', we have all seen too often how quickly knee jerk laws are put in place and how easily they can infringe on civil liberties, imagine that with the vast store of information being sought and it is not a pretty picture. It will be the inocent that suffer because the guilty will have found ways around it beforehand.

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