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    Andy - when I posed that point about The Sun it was a tongue in cheek comment, hence I continued with 'Seriously though' to start the next sentence. Indeed what Brian said is absolutely nothing to do with the conversation in which The Sun was brought up.

    Dave1 - I have responded to that in a discussion on elected police chiefs also in charge of the prosecution service. If you want my personal opinion I would bring back the death penalty, the birch and much longer prison sentences, get some real punishment back into the system. Again all discussed elsewhere at other times!

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