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    I would never call it murder Bern; murder is unjustified, executing someone, for say, for arguments sake, Baby P's murder, or even Jamie Bulger, Victoria Climbie and many others is justified; their crimes are heinous and need the ultimate penalty - losing their life for their sadistic, willful murder of an innocent child, or human being.

    I know we've discussed this many times and the threads went on and on and on, so there is no right or wrong answer, only a view.




    Roger

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