howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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we have heard all about the proposed lorry park intended to relieve operation stack and take away the problem from us, particularly the victims that live in aycliffe.
it transpires that the cost has doubled from the initial cost to a staggering 75 million smackers.
what will be the answer?
i am concerned that it will be on green belt land closer to dover.
let's face it, i doubt if the central goverment, county council or bureaucrats in general will lose much sleep over dumping something else unpleasant on us.
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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Doubled, to £75 million? Sound`s very familiar. Just like the crooked builder. Put an estimate in, then once you`ve got them interested and hooked, double the price. Stinks.
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Which lorry park is that Howard ?
As far as I'm aware, the one near the Capel junction has been put to one side or possibly abandoned altogether.
The T2 development makes provision for over 1,000 trucks and will alleviate the problems in the Town Centre and Snargate/Townwall Streets and reduce the impact of Operation Stack.
I know there was talk of one further up the M20, but are you talking local ?
Roger
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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roger
the one further up the M20, cannot remember the name of the place.
locals put up quite a fight as it is a lovely rural area.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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I cant remember the name of the place either but the locals put up quite a fight indeed. I beleive they won their position as far as I remember but the real problem with truck parks is the obvious one... they are a big ugly so-and so, will need green land on mass scale and who wants that. And the chances are it wouldnt solve the problem.
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
sellinge is the place you are thinking of.
but there again,thanks to the jurrasic jobsworthys on both sides [ddc/asda]asda has desided to pull out alltogether.so in represpect why not demolish all the buildings in the st jameses area concreate it over and lease it to dhb for a lorry park.that way ddc will be getting some dosh/wonger back to fill there coffers.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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you can be such a cynic brian.
thanks for the sellinge bit.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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On the lorry park interests me how everyone says its nowt to do with Guv.
I won't go on about double standards we all want to see a solution to this major problem, you will recall my plight in trying to get a changing room on the recreation ground at the end of old Folkestone road, rejected by planning many times, on the grounds that the land and area is of outstanding natural beauty, thats an argument(one I have reservations over) but then we hear the same dept was pushing for a lorry park just above the area we wanted changing rooms on.
Both places land ogf outstsanding nat. beauty, but if you want a lorry park it appears you can over ride this, but a small portacabin you cant?
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
howard,thanks for that.its quite nice to be reconised as a cynic,gives me purpose to post.
Keith, do go on, because you are right to do so.
Guest 686- Registered: 5 May 2009
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As has been said many times before, and by me on more than one occasion, an alternative to the current Op. Stack is required and urgently. T2 won't even go part way to solving the problem because the 1,000 spaces will be filled by trucks waiting for ferries and the remaining, and increasing numbers of trucks will still be backed up along Snargate Street and up the hill back to Capel and beyond. In fact T2 might even make matter worse.
Op. Stack takes ages to put in place, mainly because the manpower required has to be relocated from other tasks and police shift patterns changed. We know this can take at least 12 hours to achieve, and more often 24 hours unless prior warning of a strike across the channel has been received. The only answer is a massive, off-road lorry park that can be opened at a moments notice and freight traffic diverted into it. The trouble is that virtually all the appropriate land is green-belt and any suggestion of blighting it with a truck park only results in a backlash from the locals - quite often the same locals who complain about Op. Stack in the first place. You can't have it both ways!
Somewhere must be found, between Ashford and Dover, to put at least 5,000 trucks on a suitable hard-standing with either temporary or permanent facilities for the drivers.
It might also help if some agreement could be made with the French authorities to prevent the blockading of the ports on their side of the channel. At least that way we would only have to cope with the weather disrupting, but not completely stopping, the ferries sailing.
Phil West
If at first you don't succeed, use a BIGGER hammer!!
Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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MMMMM, somewhere to keep all of those lorries and off the motorway, how about 14 miles of little used dual carriageway, 7 miles up and 7 miles down and not used very much, I did mention this to the DDC 7 years ago and no reply, it's very close to the docks.
It keeps the motorway clear and keeps the town clear.
Would you like me to carry on?
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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yes please ian,it would be intrssting to here your views.
Do you mean the Pfizers private road Ian? You know, the one that was built when what we really needed was dualling of the A2.
Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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Thats the one Sid.
14 miles of duel carriageway, out in the middle of nowhere and no one to bother.
All of the villages still have the B roads so that won't stop people going about their normal lives.
It would also take a lot less policing.
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
Just too obvious Ian and besides, how dare you come up with a solution that won't cost the taxpayer millions of £'s. Give them a few minuntes and they are sure to find some H&S reasons why it can't be done. After all, that's easier than finding ways to make it happen.
Guest 693- Registered: 12 Nov 2009
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Now this may be the rantings of a middle aged old fart, but how in the good name of the Almighty can laying tarmac for 1,000 lorries plus improving the access roads around Sellinge possibly come to £75m? That's the most ludicrous estimate I've heard of in donkeys years.........
Then, as with the great Brian Dixon, the cynic in me escapes the shackles and rears its ugly head; these couldn't be false figures, could they, in order to enlarge someone's budget at a time when budgets everywhere are being slashed? That sort of thing wouldn't happen in this day and age, would it?
True friends stab you in the front.
Guest 686- Registered: 5 May 2009
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That wouldn't surprise me in the slightest Andy. I didn't comment on the figures as I don't have the knowledge to be able to judge such things, but £75m does seem somewhat excessive. I think someone may be taking the mick out of a supply and demand situation with more than a touch of politics thrown in for good measure. Just out of curiosity, does anyone know how much it cost to build the new service station at J11 on the M20?
Phil West
If at first you don't succeed, use a BIGGER hammer!!
