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    Barry a lot of cheap shots at all those who don't share your world view as well as a couple against Brown in there as usual.

    You also put out a whole lot of guff about polls; if they were the opposite way round you would be the first to tell us that they have significant margins of error etc etc. The only damn poll that counts is the one that we will all vote in next year, all the rest are navel gazing of the most self indulgent kind.

    The reality is that there will always be opposing views on not only what constitutes the health and wealth of the nation but also the best ways to deliver it now and in the long term. Ignoring the extremes of both left and right we will always have some sort of Social Democratic party to the left of centre, a centrist Liberal type party and a right of centre party such as the current Conservatives, it is verging on the delusional to think otherwise. Socialism in main stream British politics was killed off by Blair a long time ago and replaced with a weird mix of social democratic and christian democratic thoughts and ideas which frankly goes some way to explaining the contradictory nature of so much of the NuLab output. The Labour Party needs to re-invent itself as a proper left of centre Social Democrat party losing a large chunk of the centralising control freakery along the way or it will spend a long time embroiled in internecine warfare, recrimination and back stabbing

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