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    Barry - of course we want honest politicians, what we also want are ones with enough common sense not to wash the UKs dirty linen in a foreign country.

    Roger there is nothing wrong with honest debate about the NHS
    Of course the NHS has problems,
    yes it needs reform,
    yes there are things we can and should learn from other health care systems around the world (France, Belgium, Germany, Australia, NZ for example)

    Is there anything we should learn from the US healthcare industry, yes there is, firstly it does not work for 45m of their citizens who are without insurance, the GP system in the US does not work if you can ever get to see one rather than their nurse practitioner, Medicare for pensioners is under funded and therefore again lets down those on minimum incomes, the level of inefficiency makes the NHS look like a paragon, the profiteering by healthcare providers is also deeply worrying, particularly given it is these self same companies that both major parties want to outsource our healthcare to.

    Perhaps we will have to review the concept of "free at the point of need" but it should not be given up lightly and certainly not for tawdry political gain.

    Perhaps we have to consider charging for GP appointments or maybe for missed appointments.

    There is lots we could and should consider, but we must do so in a reasoned way.

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