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    In my own sad way Ian, when I spotted the thread title, I went on the internet to find a red kite, (the other sort if there was one), but found the above image instead, so merely popped it on as an example. I didn`t expect anything else, so I popped those two on I took the other day. I didn`t reckon too much on them, which was why I was surprised at your competition suggestion. My limit is a thrush sitting in front of the camera too frightened to move.

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