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  Barry I do not believe that torture is at all effective method for extracting useful information. The "ticking bomb" example you use to justify your stance is nonsensical as if we get to the stage of being in that situation our security services have failed hugely.
  
  Ethically I do not approve of murder, nor do I approve of torture - it really has nothing to do with being made of sterner stuff; in fact I staunchly believe that NOT resorting to abuse and torture requires one to be made of much sterner stuff than those that do; as torture is the easy option. The abuser/torturer is demeaned and dehumanised as much if not more so than the person being abused.
  
  All the evidence I have seen from the likes of the FBI and Met Police is clear that people tend to tell you what they think you want to hear when you torture them rather than telling you the truth. The FBI have shown that when investigated the vast majority of information obtained under duress is useless and they for one are convinced that there are much better interrogative techniques for obtaining quality information.
  
  As an aside using torture removes any moral stance one can have about our citizens being tortured by foreign regimes etc.

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