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MRP, I had your point of view at one time, but as I view it now, we`re not civilised anyway, never have been, a ridiculous phrase. We`re still fighting each other, and the way we treat the animal population is appalling! To some celestial onlooker, we must be the ultimate in barbarism. Many of our species are completely ignorant of life, and completely selfish, and oblivious to life with no respect for any other life form other than it`s own. It`s a reason why I do not believe in a god, and why I don`t believe in a designer, as whoever designed us, made an appalling error.