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  With respect, I think you are doing two things: talking down Dover and missing the point about the act of shopping.
  
  It is not an "idyll" akin to fantasising about Midsomer Murders territory to express a human need for more than easy-buying-time when shopping. It is indeed an opportunity to teach the kids things, to talk to real people and to smell the roses, as well as buy stuff. Places like Tesco have deliberatley and systematically eradicated the human aspect of shopping and have led to what you describe in your last sentences. I have to say i find Dover with all its faults and reduced shopping experences much more than what you describe. To be sure it is shabby, and there are fewer shops than we need, but it is also alive and packed with real people. We need to be encouraging, as Roger does, the shopkeepers already there to be more helpful and to participate morein the community of shops, and shoppers to visit.

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