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excellent summary from roger, just a bit to add here.
my feeling when we went in and the discussion started was that they were out to flannel us with council speak.
after a short while terry interjected and despite platitudes refused to accept the pre prepared stuff.
the discussion then moved onto a different level with everybody having a chance to speak and taking the opportunity to listen.
i feel that both sides learned a lot, especially the importance of communication.
vic and john got mentioned in despatches too.
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