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  I couldn't agree more, and regular posters will know how strongly I feel about consequences and responsibilities! We all need to accept our responsibilities as well as our rights, especially as parents. but I wouldn't want that to absolve the rest of us from our societal responsibilities: it becomes too easy to say Social Services will sort it, the Police are involved so it's ok, her Aunt is popping in so it must be alright - I know we don't all do that but it does happen, and I think we have been made brutally aware of the consequences recently. No-one wants to be a tittle tattle, and talking to "the social" has always been made to seem a really underhand thing to do, but sometimes there is no other course of action to take, especially when children are involved. My daughter has only just told me about the children I mentioned - does anyone know anything substantial about them?

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