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Pat, I found your posting above more interesting than you`ll ever know. I`ll be brief. I spent 20 year`s in the paper mill at Dover before I took redundancy, and during that time, I was experiencing all sorts of human life attitude`s to work, which was to prove invaluable when I joined the railway. Being very pro-rail, and loving steam, I didn`t go shouting about it to work colleague`s, and gradually over time, I got to know some great blokes with good attitude`s toward`s work, and also some good bloke`s with poor attitude`s. Anyway, I enjoyed work which often took me into remote country location`s, and I had some good manager`s as well, though not always enthusiastic as I, loved it because they could send me anywhere`s and often at short notice to cover various jobs, and above all, the roster clerk`s who needed more like me..... Back to your comment above Pat. I`ll never forget, a few year`s after being on the railway, one manager said to a supervisor in the office with me there, about a new man started on the job, and he was an enthusiastic railway supporter also. He commented, `he`s a keen railway bloke, but we`ll soon change that`!!! What I`m getting at here is, how many keen youngster`s who join the police and wish to make a go of it, get put down by Inspector`s etc with the attitude of the one which Pat mention`s above? What keen youngster proudly wearing his new uniform, would like to go out on the beat, and put the world to right, but to be told by his superior `don`t worry about it, have another cuppa`? This was the case in the paper mill and on the railway, so why should the police force be any different? Don`t get me wrong, I`ve seen them in action during my recent time off work in Dover, but I think the majority of the British public would care more about that police inspector`s attitude, than most other form`s of employment wouldn`t you think?