howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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this has been doing the rounds on the interweb with the head teacher coming in for some flak.
as a regular user of rhyming slang i agree with him, ok for the likes of me but his responsibility surely must be to send his "yoof" out into the world with a full command of our language.
they can adapt thngs for socialising later.
Guest 1103- Registered: 3 Nov 2013
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I think the list of slang is endless Howard ...INNIT ha ha ha
Try to be a rainbow in someone's cloud. Maya Angelou ☺🌈🌄🌌🌏🌍🌎
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Anyone who thinks banning slang will work is a complete Hampton.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 700- Registered: 11 Jun 2010
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Some slang might be said to be dialect?
My pet hate is when speech is 'decorated' with LIKE every few words. - ugh !
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Guest 700- Registered: 11 Jun 2010
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ain't - Wiktionary
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ain't
Historically, ain't was present in many dialects of the English language, but not in the southeastern England dialect that became the standard, where it is only ...
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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noticed over recent years "would of" and "should of" have replaced "would have" and "should have"
Guest 1033- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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'Bored of' appears all over the place, even in written advertising, I'm positive it should be 'bored with'.
Guest 700- Registered: 11 Jun 2010
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Attitudes to language variety
For many years, certain English dialects have been viewed more positively than others. Many of us make assumptions based on the way people speak — judging certain dialects or accents as too posh, harsh, aggressive, unfriendly, 'unintelligent' or 'common'. Unfortunately many individuals have suffered as a result of this irrational prejudice. No one dialect is better at communicating meaning than another. The fact some dialects and accents are seen to be more prestigious than others is more a reflection of judgements based on social, rather than linguistic, criteria. We live in an increasingly homogeneous society and so the vocabulary, structure and sounds that define the speech of a particular region, should be and indeed are for many speakers, a source of great pride and an important expression of cultural identity.
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Guest 700- Registered: 11 Jun 2010
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I am confused about why a person says "would of" instead of "would have" and how they would write/spell it.
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Guest 977- Registered: 27 Jun 2013
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Kath, "would have" becomes "would've" becomes "would of".
I think I mentioned on here before, it's not new, there's an example in The Great Gatsby.
Terry Nunn
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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And "My One" instead of mine etc. Charlie Stayt did it on Breakfast tv this morning.
Terry
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Guest 700- Registered: 11 Jun 2010
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Ray - yes, I realise it sounds similar - would've "would of", but some people put the emphasis on 'of'. I still dont like it.
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Guest 756- Registered: 6 Jun 2012
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And the classic, " I, myself, personally"... drives me nuts!
I love dialects and am facinated by regional sayings, one of the best local accents belongs to the Aylesham folk, a very unique language.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i don't see anything wrong with towns/regions having their own words and sayings, what the headmaster here is trying to do is to ensure that his pupils know correct english and use it in the classroom. once outside many will revert to txtspk.
Guest 1033- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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I agree Howard, I love all the regional sayings across the UK, its the laziness that gets at me. The word 'obviously' is so overused these days, many people automatically start their sentences with it, even when the point isn't obvious at all.
There are some lovely expressions down here in South Wales, 'I'll be there now, in a minute' is one of my favourites. The lazy speech has turned into lazy typing though, with 'en' replacing 'then'. Took me a while to work it out.
Bob Whysman
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I borrowed the following from Jan who posted this on another site. This is meant to be humorous and shows how the human brain actually reads what it is meant to rather than how it is written!
i cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg. The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid, aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dseno't mtaetr in waht oerdr the ltteres in a wrod are, the olny iproamtnt tihng is taht the frsit and lsat ltteer be in the rghi t pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it whotuit a pboerlm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Azanmig huh? yaeh and I awlyas tghuhot slpeling was ipmorantt! if you can raed tihs forwrad it.
There are some rather good Sussex one's too Barry. A couple that come to mind:
Twitten - Alleyway
'Don't head me' - don't argue with me.
Do nothing and nothing happens.
Guest 700- Registered: 11 Jun 2010
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An alleyway in Lincs. also called 'gunnel' presumably after the gunwale in a ship?
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Bob Whysman- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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I may have posted this before, but I think it illustrates in an amusing way what many find difficult about the English language.
A foreign Student learning English:-
Why have a "b" in "crumb" and "dumb,"
And not in words like "hum" and "sum"?
He quickly learned the "n" in damn,
But wanted it in "jam" and "ham",
With "there" and "their" and "air and "heir",
He struggled hard, but in despair,
Found "burg" was often spoken "boro",
And fogged his brain with "through" and "thorough".
One evening after hours of work,
He took his hat, resolved to shirk
His learning for an hour or more,
And take a walk along the shore.
He passed among the crowds that chattered.
His nerves on edge his morale shattered,
Till, as he lingered by the pier,
His eyes perceived a hoarding near,
A placard hung in colours bright,
Announced a film on show that night.
The words, as far as he could guess,
Were "Cavalcade"—pronounced success",
"Mon Dieu!" he groaned, "How can it be
Pronounced success? This does for me.
This is the last, the final straw,
I cannot stand a fraction more,
He rushed on further up the coast,
Wrote one sad letter to his host,
And waited for the next high tide,
Then jumped into the sea and...... died,
MORAL
You native learners of our tongue,
Be warned by one, who died so young,
Do not, like him, your brains to save,
Take refuge in a watery grave,
But fight the fight, and you may well,
Before you die just learn to spell!
Do nothing and nothing happens.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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