howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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did forumites see the recently released video of the dearly departed being asked about his relationship with children in his care?
i found it disturbing, what did others think?
Do you have any links to it Howard? I'd like to see it.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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sorry rick, it was on sky news.
he kept giggling about the subject, i turned off in total disgust.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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You must have watched a different one to me then Howard.
The one I saw was where Michael was disgusted at the questions the interviewer was asking; there was no shame from Michael only dismay and disgust at the questions he was being asked.
Don't forget that the interviewer was from one of those money-grabbing parent's lawyers, so would ask the worst kind of questions.
He did not giggle about anything, he was talking about the innocence of children and how it must be maintained as long as possible.
I know the old saying about "no smoke without fire" and "s*** sticks" and we have shouted about it on here and if we are going to use the same principle on here, then we should leave him alone - he was never found guilty of anything.
Roger
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I have to say I am sick to death hearing about this singer, thats all he is a singer though a very odd one of dubious personal qualities. There are worse and there are and have been many better.
The geezer is dead, yes its before his time and it is sad but no sadder than anyone who dies young(ish). Time to move on, more important and interesting things are happening in the world.
Terry Nunn
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Well said Barry, I really don't understand the idolatry. A couple of years ago he was reviled, now he appears to be an icon. Unbelievable! Plus ça change!
Terry
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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I agree with Barry and Terry why all this fuss over this chap .I hear DDC are hoping to screen the service on the big TV in Market Square .God help us all .
Look at the thread re Keith Southey very very sad he leaves a lovely wife and two lovely sons .This is tragedy .Some of us forumites know how this feels .Grief is very personal .
WE are getting more loke America every day .
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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What this is all about is that the great unwashed out there the world over have no soul to speak of, they have to fill that inner space formerly occupied by God. Hence the fuss about Michael Jackson, Princess Di and so on..they weep and wail and nail themselves in angst and agony to an imaginary cross.
No I havent turned into a bible thumper but isnt this the case. We have no aims no purpose. Society drifts aimlessly into old age worshipping Jordan and Pete!
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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What you say PaulB emphasises what sad little lives some people have...
Guest 686- Registered: 5 May 2009
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Michael who?
Phil West
If at first you don't succeed, use a BIGGER hammer!!
I am utterly disgusted at two facts: firstly, the world and its mother hated Jackson and turned against him because of his child abuse allegations, and now many of those same people are worshipping him like some holy god-figure. Total hypocrisy. Secondly, I really DO believe that there was something very sinister and predatory about Jackson and his relationships with kids - there is simply too much out there to suggest it was true! With this in mind, who gives a toss about how good his music was? Do we celebrate Gary Glitter's musical career in the same way? No! Do we rave about what a fantastic caretaker Ian Huntley was? Exactly!
A child molester is dead. Big deal. Oh, and he made some albums. Yeah great. Just about the only massive achievement Jackson has to his name is the sheer scale of his fame.
Oh and by the way, I have now seen the video in question and have to say that he doesn't come across very well in it.
But anyway - I guess Jackson will keep many of us divided in our views. He has a legion of fans, and a legion of big doubters. They'll never see eye-to-eye.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Like you say Rick, some people will believe and others won't.
Most of, if not all, of his fans have remained loyal to him - alive or dead.
You revile him for what the media reported at the time, which was very unpleasant I agree, but as you also say, we are allowed to come to different conclusions and we have.
I don't belive he wa a child molester at all, I really don't: odd perhaps as a man and father, but a great all-round entertainer.
Roger
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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It seems One Billion people worldwide watched the programme on TV last night so rightly or wrongly he has certainly got the world buzzing. I myself am not sure how these outpourings of grief are happening but there we are. I didnt watch the programme myself but saw some coverage on the BBCNews last night, where his young daughter spoke painfully movingly about the loss of her dad...hard to keep a dry eye at that moment. Especially when you hear a daughter talking about her dad.
My 6 year old granddaughter came out with what I thought was a very apt comment to her mum last week when something came on the telly about m.j. She looked at her mum and said " mum whats wrong with these people, he is dead why don,t they get over it ". I thought that sums it all up.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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Rick
Aas has been said he was never found guilty of anything and whilst we all feekl the legal process needs improvement, he is NOT GUILTY
ROGER
As i discussed with you many times before the media can destroy people easily and a lot of the time with no cause other than to sell papers, but the effect on thayt family can be major.
This goes for local and national papers and media in general
But on this subject roger we agree
Guest 668- Registered: 13 Apr 2008
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Jackson's 1982 album Thriller remains the world's best-selling album of all time, and four of his other solo studio albums are among the world's best-selling records: Off the Wall (1979), Bad (1987), Dangerous (1991) and HIStory (1995).
One of the few artists to have been inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame twice, his other achievements include multiple Guinness World Records, including one for "Most Successful Entertainer of All Time." He has won 13 Grammy Awards, charted 13 number one singles in his solo career—more than any other male artist in the Hot 100 era—and posted sales of over 750 million records worldwide, making him, according to the World Music Awards, the best selling solo artist of all time.
Extracts taken from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jackson#Discography
Those are the facts people, everything else is just conjecture. He remains a legend, long after we've all gone he'll be remembered.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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there was a lot of conjecture about o.j. simpson too.
it is great how money and power can induce conjecture rather than convictions in the u.s.
Guest 643- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Well I'm (for a change!) with Keith on this one. Michael Jackson was never found guilty of any of the charges concerning children that were laid against him. As Chris has documented, his music is legendary and he is way up there with Elvis Presley in that field.
Personally I think the fact that he never had a normal childhood was behind his childlike innocence. He found himself able to give children what he never had through his Neverland ranch and his pet animals. Through those children he lived his own belated childhood and the parents of the ones who accused him of misconduct were just out to make money by twisting his kindness to mean things that were not acceptable.
I have never been a big fan of his music because it's not what I enjoy but that's not to say he wasn't a brilliant artiste.
I do feel for his children too - it's never nice to lose a parent but much worse when you're a child. I hope his children will always be proud of their dad, which I'm sure they will.
RIP Michael Jackson - you made a difference and not everyone can say that. Thank you for the music x
There's always a little truth behind every "Just kidding", a little emotion behind every "I don't care" and a little pain behind every "I'm ok".
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Well said ChrisK and Jacqui.
Roger
I think we are forgetting that (even!) Elvis had his dark side, abused drugs, screwed around - as many in that business do. Us poor mortals don't quite grasp how shallow and fickle the entertainment industry is - I saw a bit of it when I was young and pretty and it wasn't nice. People and pleasures are easily bought and covered up - and that doesn't mean that in Jacksons case that happened, just that the general public can be horribly naive about these things!! His situation was probably horribly complex and a web of abuses and mutual dependencies. But he has died, he was just a singer, and sad as it is, there are lots of other sad things happening, some of them on our doorsteps, so perhaps we should re-focus and move on. I mean it kindly.
