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    Sid - in what way was discussing a Government Minister's bet against his own Government winning a majority in any way 'gutter politics' and in what way can that possibly compare with the fabrication of sexual lies and inuendo against opposition MPs and their wives? Do explain.

    Incidentally - dont try to claim the bet is made up, even he has not claimed that.

    My point earlier was that anyone who can see no difference between these two has a serious problem with their own moral compass, a reasonable point.

    Answer what I am saying not what you would prefer to claim I am saying please.

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