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    "Yes tried and proven to be pointless. Which is why 80% of local education authorities have got rid of them. It is only the counties with large numbers of middle england (you know, read the Daily Mail, like events that involve bunting, say things like "it's PC gone mad") that still have them, I wonder why...oh yes resistance to change." DT1

    Well, I read the Guardian, Telegraph and Times, wouldn't use the Mail to line the litter tray, embrace change like an old friend and loathe the term "pc brigade" - as you probably know!!!! And yet I support grammar education because it is a good way or targeting education. We seem to be in agreement that education and its diversity should be targeted and used wisely, that those less academic are just as valid and improtant, and it is futile to try to cram children just for the sake of saying so many people have degrees. So, what is wrong with using grammars as the academic stream? Archers and Astor work really well for many of the kids there, and are, I think, demonstrably more holistic than the grammars appear to be. Tjhey all work well in their own spehere - why change that?

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