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    Sid - the new carriers are not so tiny. Not as big as the US Navy carriers that operate around 80 aircraft but they will operate 50 aircraft and will be the biggest ships ever operated by the Royal navy and second to none in the world except the Nimitz Class.

    Vic - you have to be realistic. this country has been economically devastated by Gordon brown and we have to cut our cloth.

    If its a choice between having the carriers with the F/A18 or no carriers at all - then better to have them. Besides there is nothing wrong at all with the F/A18, it is a superb and highly effective aircraft. The US Navy are against the F35 which will be adopted by the US Marines only (if at all, the programme may well be scrapped all together as the USA face defence cuts as well).

    There may never be a F35 in service anywhere.

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