howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Captain Haddock
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Howard,
Sorry to get in the way of your feely-touchy empathy rich/fact poor feelings BUT as I wrote in another thread:-
Do you really believe that with a working population of 38 million roughly 6% are actually disabled?
Among the two million people on IB (costing around £7 billion a year), over 80,000 are alcoholics, drug addicts and those suffering from obesity. Over a quarter of them have been receiving the benefit for over a decade.
The bottom line is that the number of 'disabled' has been increasing year on year and the amount of time they are 'disabled' lengthening.
Where do you draw the line or where do you find the 'magic money tree'?
Don't you think that a lot of the 'disabled' are being patronised by people suggesting that somehow because of their 'issues' they should bar themselves from seeking employment and remain supplicant clients relying on hand outs from the state?
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Reginald Barrington
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So punish them all and to hell with the morality?
Arte et Marte
Just Sioux
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I don't think the captain was making that observation Mr Barrington but the UK is broke and needs to weed out those who may be able to work in some capacity.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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How does this explain the figures the government tried to cover up for ages showing how many died when they were deemed fit to work. Others told that chemotherapy is no barrier to job seeking hence no benefits for them. We can all relate stories about people that spend their lives playing the system and as far as I can see they are still doing it however a lot of genuine sick or disabled are bearing the brunt of the cuts.
Brian Dixon
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pointless arguing with blue persons howard,they have a mindset to destroy all known good.and privatise every thing and any thing.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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But alot of us have done a full working live and it is because of the kind of work I done is why I am disabled in the first place and there are many in the same boat,I do not drink or smoke and have always try very hard to keep fit .
But there is a time in life when the body tells you that it can not carry on doing it anymore.
If you get by in your whole life without ending up disabled you are one of the lucky few.
It is no fun being in pain most of the time ,yes you get by .
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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I appreciate there are people who are disabled and need help,however some do play the system I have seen people with blue badges parked outside the school and run across the road to collect their children.The benefit system can be very generous.My dad had trouble with his legs after years of working in all weathers delivering milk.Sometimes he could
hardly move but he carried on until he was sixty five and lived until he was ninety.I think my parents had a little help with their rent.
They were both in their seventies when with a lot of help from me they got a council house not in Kent I hasten to add.Previously they had no bathroom or inside toilet.We had one sink and had to queue to wash.My mother had to wash clothes .prepare meals etc. using this one sink.
Why have I gone off the subject because I believe very strongly some people not all play the system.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Regrettably those that know how to play the system will carry on doing so whilst those who need help getting dressed in the morning will lose their carers allowance.
The announcement that benefits will be capped at £.25,000 per annum is hardly encouraging people into work as they would need to earn £35-37,000 to take home £.25,000.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Howard,
One of the problems is that at present benefits are fueling house price inflation.
15% of mortgages are now buy to let.
You and I are paying housing benefit to people who are in turn paying off these mortgages through what were un-capped rent levels.
The other thing is whilst you are on a low income/out of work it is reasonable for us to pay benefits to keep the wolf from the door - but surely as you earn, your benefits should be withdrawn at the same rate your income increases?
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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according to itn news,there is a posabilaty of a tory revolt and a U-turn over the benefit cuts.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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More of a probability than a possibility now, the tories seem to forget how small their majority is.
http://news.sky.com/story/1661319/bid-to-stop-tory-revolt-over-disability-cutsBrian Dixon- Location: Dover
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exactly howard.hope it comes about.
Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
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They're already changing the rhetoric on it, saying it is only a suggestion and being discussed, sounds like another spineless 'u' turn from our leaders.
Arte et Marte
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Even the sugary drinks tax is now in doubt. The trouble with Osborne is that he still hasn't realised how small his party's majority is and that many of the new MP's promised their voters that working tax credits and disability benefits would be protected.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I don't think I have ever seen a government unravel itself quite like our present one is doing at the moment. I have always suspected that Dave like being in coalition as he could blame the Lib Dems for not cutting as much as the local parties would have liked. Suddenly the two nasties have their own way which he agrees with then one decides to be Mr Nice against all expectations.
It all started when Dave announced he wouldn't look for a third term and his "friends" started jockeying for his position 4 years in advance. Osborne looked favourite until the last few days then got sold out by IDS. Boris Johnson went overnight from being 50/50 over the referendum to being 100% out as if he had just seen a vision in the sky. None of them are interested in anything other than being Prime Minister and they have managed to do the almost impossible and make Labour look like a future government. If I was Jeremy Corbyn I would not say another word for ages and instruct his colleagues to do likewise.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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election in the next 18 months.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Brian,
1. Working parliamentary majority 17
2. Fixed Terms Parliaments Act 2011
UNLESS House of Commons resolves "That this House has no confidence in Her Majesty's Government"
3. Chance of turkeys voting for Christmas = 0
4. Next election Thursday 7 May 2020
5. '18 months'? In your dreams!
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Very true Bob I can't decide whether that is a good or a bad thing though as I am more interested in the result of the forthcoming referendum.
It looks like around 2 out of 3 will vote in that much the same as a General Election so there seems to be apathy all around and who can blame the public with the shower of politicians around at the moment. I can't even remember who leads the Lib Dems, Welsh Nationalists and Greens.
The fun will start if the public shock us all and vote out with the the two main parties so split, Labour are putting up a good show of solidarity with their "Remain" outlook but I suspect the leader and his disciples are secretly hoping for an "Out" vote if only to upset the CBI.
