Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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foreign criminals can stay in the uk
MPs have voted to reject a bid by nearly 100 rebel Tory MPs to stop foreign criminals using European human rights law to avoid deportation.
But MPs did vote in favour of Home Secretary Theresa May's plan to strip foreign-born terror suspects of UK citizenship, by 297 to 34.
The rebel plan only failed thanks to opposition from Labour and Lib Dem MPs.
No 10 - anticipating a big rebellion - had ordered Tory ministers to abstain rather than oppose the backbenchers.
If, as had been expected at one stage, Labour MPs had also abstained, the rebel amendment would have succeeded. In the event it was defeated by 241 to 97.
BBC political editor Nick Robinson said David Cameron had "simply ordered his troops to retreat in the face of embarrassment" and the episode illustrated the difficulty the prime minister had with controlling his own backbenchers.
Dominic Raab - the Tory MP behind the amendment - told MPs it was time the law was changed so foreign criminals could no longer use Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights - a right to a family life - to escape deportation.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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amazes me that an issue about getting shot of convicted terrorists, murderers, rapists, torturers and the like comes down to a party political game.
the political class is completely out of touch with the public .
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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#3
Out of 650 MPs .only 100 voted to kick the criminals out.
I wonder haw the Dover mp voted ?
Guest 1103- Registered: 3 Nov 2013
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#4
post 2 yes Howard and yes again :) couldnt agree more.
KeithB you make me wonder with your foreignerphobia.... did you ever left this island???
Did you ever heard of European Union...?
Try to be a rainbow in someone's cloud. Maya Angelou ☺🌈🌄🌌🌏🌍🌎
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#5
Agree with your post 2 Howard.
We should never even allow foreign criminals to serve their sentence here - why should we pay for it ?
It is a sad indictment on our politicians that they can't use their brains when voting on serious matters.
Roger
Guest 1172- Registered: 28 Jan 2014
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#6
I think it is obvious how our Dover MP voted! He wants to abolish the human rights act altogether.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#7
I don't think it's a case of abolishing Human Rights Chrissi, but much of the ECHR is nonsense and illogical and we can't do many of the obvious things we should be able to do.
Roger
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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#8
That is exactly how I see it Roger.
We seem to have had some completely daft interpretations of human rights where the criminal has more rights than those he/she has offended against.
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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#9
I can confirm, the Dover conservative MP, NEVER ,,voted to kick out Foreign criminals .
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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And he never will, Keith.
Foreign criminals use our money (The State's funds) to pay lawyers to represent them to take the Government to Court, they win, and receive compensation on top of it. And these lawyers stick thousands of pounds of your and my money in their pocket for each foreign rapist and murderer they represent.
There's only one party, mate. Come over join us!
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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#11
Nice to see you back Alexander.
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Hello Jan.
Just went there and back to see how far it was.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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seeing that article in post 12 reminds me of a much more serious incident in canterbury 2/3 years back when a lithuanian chap murdered his partner. turned out he had served time in his own country, sweden and germany for violent crimes before he ended up here.
criminals can move freely around member states without any checks being made because in effect there are no real ports of entry. the 2 thugs mentioned in post 12 must have had a criminal record before they arrived here. no-one suddenly goes out armed with a pepper spray.