Gary39- Registered: 7 Jul 2017
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I think the people have spoken again in these elections. Labour and The Tories must now deliver.. Labour must going on about another referendum..discuss
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Brian Dixon
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
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Absolutely. For the Tories, it's not the end of the world as they have a built in fix - a leadership contest where they can all try and out Farage each other. For Labour, it is an enormous wake up call. If Corbyn really is terrified of the whole thing and wants to hide in a cupboard until it is all over, he has to make way for someone else.
Jan Higgins
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I think the results show that there is no need for another referendum as it would be a complete waste of tax payers money.
The Tories are paying the price for the shambles they have at the moment, whether they can recover in their present form is doubtful. Labour have got to stop disagreeing with everything Brexit just because it is a Tory proposition.
Unless we get a miracle I expect to see another coalition government come the next General Election.
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Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Labour is now calling for another referendum, the remain Blair MPs have wone the day and taken back the party for Blair .
Captain Haddock
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Keith Bibby wrote:Labour is now calling for another referendum.
By 'Labour' I presume you mean Emily Thornberry and other patronising London-centric supporters who claim to know 'what is best' for the rest of us?
If so it's good-bye to the Northern working class vote they've always relied on.
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Ross Miller
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Interesting how people interpret the results
I look at them and see that a single cause party won the most votes (5.25m) and therefore seats but fell short of a majority by a long way, I also see that parties favouring, at minimum, another referendum claimed between them (even though they failed to work together) a majority of the votes (8,98m with the Scottish results still to be fully declared).
So exactly how have the electorate spoken?
Farage is talking this up as a ringing endorsement of him etc (lots of blah blah blah) but is it really, if it was a ringing endorsement he would have won a majority of the 16.626m votes cast.
It is however a damning indictment of the two major parties, their lacklustre campaigns, their inability to listen, their pathetic in-fighting at the expense of leading the country etc.
So what will happen next?
The Tories will continue their masochistic public self flagellation and lurch to the right around some bland, white middle aged, middle class man who will claim to know how to solve the problems around Brexit only for the Tories to shaft him the way they shafted May.
After lots of soul searching and chitty chatty the Lib Dems will merge with Change UK creating an anti Brexit party with a national presence and MPs to challenge Labour around the anti-brexit position. Labour will do almost as much public self humiliation as the Tories before Corbyn sees sense and steps aside with, hopefully Watson taking his place at the head of the Labour Party; who will then reach an agreement y with the Lib Dems, SNP, Greens & Plaid to at minimum defer Brexit, to allow a proper consultation and vote on where the UK goes next.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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seen some persenatags on my news feed this lunch time.
remain partys Europe wide 40.6%
leave partys 36.4%.europe wide.
so looks like a referendum and possible genral election might come about sooner rather than later, that's how I read it any way.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Ross Miller wrote:Interesting how people interpret the results
Were we to have 'first past the post' the Brexit Party would have won 9 of the 11 UK regions
But 'obviously' this system is unfair so we have proportional representation which means the Brexit Party 'only' won 29 of the possible 70 seats (Becoming the largest single party in the EU Parliament).
But 'obviously' there were many people who voted for other parties other than Brexit or protested against them by staying at home or would have voted for a 'leave' party but they were too young or even some cases not yet born ................
So 'obviously' last night's result was a great defeat for both Brexit and the 'hard right'.
(Copyright BBC, Ch4, Guardian etc.)
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Button
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This part of the electorate was a bit flummoxed, to be honest. Had I known who I wanted to represent me in the European Parliament, I would've voted for him/her. Had I wanted to be represented but not by any of you lot, I would've spoiled my ballot paper. In fact, I don't want to be represented at all, so I concluded I should stay at home and not vote.
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Keith Sansum1
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To be fair although close the referendum was an in or out vote.
The past 3 years of both the major parties trying to stop brexit has been wasted.
I don't think there were any real winners in the UK only likely to cause even problems
Unless the 2 major parties wake up Brexit will do well in UK elections.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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#9 - That's precisely why the EU elections are based upon PR.