howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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a couple of local residents have drawn my attention to a problem with rubbish outside the flats where the westbury pub was.
had a butchers this morning 3 days after the latest rubbish collection and it seems that over occupancy has spread to here.
just sent copies of these to lord walton of waste but suspect that the problem should be shared with different agencies.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Who pays for all this shopping?
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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You're right Howard, well done for high-lighting it.
I would suggest Private Sector Housing and Environmental Health as well as waste.
Too many unscrupulous landlords cramming in too many tenants; benefits being paid direct to the landlords (in most cases I would agree with this) ensures they'll keep getting their money.
It is a common theme that many (too many) landlords have, that they signed up to the income, but not the maintenance and regulatory (expense) side.
Roger
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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So is this a job for a parish councillor, a town councillor, a district councillor, a county councillor, Charlie Elphicke, the Waste Dept, the Private Sector Housing Dept or Environmental Health?
How about we get rid of 90% of them and employ some more dustmen
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I was unaware that a Parish, Town or County Councillor were involved, or the MP.
There are contractual arrangements between Veolia and DDC and whether it's a recycling collection, general, or whatever.
It's not just about picking up everyone's waste every day, we have a waste collection regime that everyone knows about, but too many do not comply with it - not because they don't understand, they just don't want to.
They can and should be hit in the pocket - tenant and landlord if they won't comply.
Roger
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Anybody in receipt of Housing Benefit, at this address and elsewhere, will have had to describe the building in some detail, state which portion of the dwelling they occupy and what, if any, facilities they use/share use of.
All payments associated with an address can then be viewed so that a 'picture' of the premises, and the degree of it's occupation, will emerge.
Albeit, market forces set rents, no Council should/will cough-up an apartments worth of rent for part use.
All of this was in place even before the new under-occupation penalties were presaged.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Roger, the point is simple, Howard has suggested contacting Mr Walton, you suggest 2 other depts, I understand you are the councillor for the area? If not I apologise.
Take the money from the 3 depts you list plus the money it costs to employ a councillor and put it towards a weekly bin collection.
What could be simpler?
Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
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Do you actually know all the rubbish belongs to the residents?
Could it be other households are using these bins rather than storing their waste on their own premises?
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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there was not a problem until recently ross, i cannot believe that residents in the area would suddenly start dumping their rubbish there.
david
i have to say that waste services have done a good job in clamping down on rubbish being dumped outside houses a week before collection, the real problem is one of bed hopping in a lot of places so other departments have to get involved.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Possibly so Howard but we still have too many chiefs and not enough dustmen.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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rejoice, i received a missive from on high that the problem would be dealt with, lo and behold all clear by mid-day. even the loose stuff blown around has been picked up.
cannot beat that for service.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Did you go via your local councillor Howard?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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not this time david, i went directly to the top - roger is unwell at the moment so i just copied him in.
you have to admit the response was impressive.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Very good response which muddys the waters even more for me:
Why do we need so many officers and so many councillors?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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from what i hear most officers are inundated as it is, people leaving not being replaced and an ever increasing bureaucratic work load that central government foist on councils at the same time that they cut their funding.
fully agree about the number of councillors but the danger of a cull is that they tend not to differentiate between the able ones and the hangers on.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Its simple Howard just make the wards bigger and cut the numbers in half.
We simply don't need so many layers of bureauracy, as you point out.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Well done Howard.
Hope the point you put across about it needing more than just waste services was picked up.
Roger
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#16, Town/parish councils are useless, no powers, an ego trip for political hacks and an utter waste of money, should be done away with totally. District councils lack critical mass for economies of scale. Kent County council probably too big, we need to collapse KCC and district functions into three or four unitaries for Kent. Far fewer elected councillors but they should work full-time for a decent salary and council portfolio holders should be elected and actually manage their departments.
That's the only way forward in my opinion. We need 2 layers of Government, 1 national and 1 local, not 4. And Brussels can get f*****, we don't need their input at all.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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disagree about parish councils, outlying communities would be forgotten by the various district councils, most are good at looking after the interests of their villages with no politics involved.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Parish
Town
District
County
Commons
Lords
Don't even mention Europe Peter
Plus all the officers and civil servants.
The money wasted on this lot could be spent on dustmen and nurses
