Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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22 September 2009
06:0929226
The French Authorities are scheduled today to demolish the camp in Calais known as 'The Jungle'. And it is a jungle...or perhaps thats an injustice to jungles everywhere, it is in fact a filthy cesspit of degradation that no human being should have to live in, yet we stand idly by and do nothing to improve things for these people.
Today the French will bulldoze it, raze it to the ground...but where do all these guys go? Most are from Iraq and Afghanistan, actually refugees from the wars we are involved in. As we all know wars cause refugees, we fight wars, we are at least partially responsible therefore for the displacement of these people.
Was it the UN earlier in the week that called for the UK to take at least half of these people. At one time there were 800 people at this Calais jungle but according to reports this has now slipped to just 300. So should we do our bit and take 150 of them?
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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22 September 2009
06:5929230I don't think we should at all PaulB.
I agree that these guys are fleeing Iraq and Afganistan, but I say again, genuine refugees should seek a safe haven in the first safe country outside of their own. How many countries have they gone through to get to Calais ?
The admit they have paid thousands to traffickers to get to Calais, so they can then hop on a truck or ferry, to come to the promised land.
Why put the burden on the U. K. ? why try to make us feel guilty about their presence there ?
France should make sure their eastern borders are secure from these people traffickers and such like.
We have hundreds of thousands of illegal people in the U.K. and the Government have no idea how many or where they are.
Roger
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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22 September 2009
07:2629231I agree Roger, we have taken enough.
We should not accept any more, they can go back or accept asylum in another country (probaby bogus anyway...)
Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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22 September 2009
08:1729232Paul, they where on the way here before the war started.
They flee their own countries to escape from the people that run their countries and not because we are there.
Their goal is to reach Britain as they know we are an easy touch and can get lost in the masses.
Keep asking yourself, Why travel thousands of mile just to reach the UK, what about the countries in between, is it because we sell fish and chips.
I don't think so.
We have to draw the line at some point.
Ian...
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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22 September 2009
08:3029233true Ian.
Take those from Afghanistan, if they are Taliban then they need to be handed over to the Afghan Government, they are enemies of the UK. Those who are opposed to the Taliban can return and help re-build their own country in a area where the war and the Taliban does not hold sway. There is no justifiable reason for Afghanis to come here. They may even be planning terrorist attacks against this country, of course....
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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22 September 2009
08:4429235Sorry but I agree we have more than most and we need help now.I have said this for years,and it did not go down well when I went public with it while I was on the town council,again we must close the doors at this time untill we are back on our own two feet.
Brian Dixon
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22 September 2009
08:5829236i agree with all the posts so far to a point.by keeping a closed door polacy could and should send a strong message to these so called asylum seekers that they are not wanted here.it will also be a good idea to promote that they should apply for asylum in the first country they set foot in.the security in the apropeate countrys should be strenthend to stop them getting into main land europe.
Guest 664- Registered: 23 Mar 2008
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22 September 2009
09:0529237The opinion of the French is that we cause them this problem with our soft-headed attitude - i.e that we make ourselves a magnet because of willingness to give them benefits.
Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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22 September 2009
09:3129238I've just noticed that most of the posts contain the word ( WE ). do you think WE should change that word to GOVERNMENT?
After all, WE never have a say in anything do WE.
Ian...
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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22 September 2009
10:2029239Not in every context it is used Ian. You do make a good point though, it is not 'we' who are being taken as mugs by so called asylum seekers and other leeches, its the soft wooly headed British Government.
'We' do have a say though - at a General Election.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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22 September 2009
10:3329240At this time The Reds are our representatives they were voted in by the public that is why the word "WE" comes in it is not on a one to one place but the whole of England.
Guest 644- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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22 September 2009
10:4529241Clearing out the 'jungle' is just a quick and temporary fix for the French authorities. Rather than interview, house, process asylum claims and arrange removal in some cases (as the UK does), it's much cheaper and easier just to send the riot police in for a day and disperse them ultimately hoping that they will melt away. Still, it makes for dramatic imagery for the press and appears outwardly that the French are being proactive.
What today's action won't do is make the UK any less attractive and I expect the migrants will be back very quickly, probably partly regrouping in Dunkirk. The conditions in the 'jungle' are purely a matter for the French.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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22 September 2009
12:2829244It seems a 1,000 have already legged it prior to this mornings arrival by the police. Where are they now?...hanging on dearly to the undercarriage of a truck near you.
So with the 300 left, there would have been near 1,300 refugees in that camp. "Its all Britains fault!" say France..it seems we offer them too good a deal.
They clearly all want to come here but to you and me this might be entirely baffling. Its not shangri-la is it!? Half of us want to go and live in France. Its all too weird!
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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22 September 2009
13:1629245LET them all come here and we go there sounds good to me.
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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22 September 2009
14:5429247First of all you have to understand the history as to how Asylum Seekers (so called) from the Middle and Far East have managed to traverse themselves across so many EU member states without being stopped or detained prior to their arrival in Calais.
Why did they not claim asylum in the very first ' safe' country they arrived at(meaning a country signed up to the Geneva Convention Act ) The answer is simple they didn't have to thanks to Maggie Thatcher signing the Shengan Agreement in Dublin which came into force in 1997. Prior to that date Dover had no asylum seekers (or maybe the odd chancer) as all ferries that arrive in Dover travelled from 'safe' countries who are countersignatories of The Geneva Convention.
So anyone turning up at Dover in the old days who claimed asylum was informed that he/she should have done so in France or Belgium.They were promptly refused entry and escorted by DHB Police or SB back to the ferry and returned from whence they came.Normally it took a couple of hours depending upon ferry times, weather etc.No major headaches.
However thanks to dear ol' Maggie, so called asylum seekers are now allowed to claim asylum in the country of their choice. So the Italians,Germans and French etc are only too happy to help these migrants on their way to the UK. Often the authorities put the migrants in sealed railway carriages guarded by the PAF and escort them to Calais!!.
I worked at Dover from 78-91 and never saw an asylum seeker.We had to go to the airport to undertake our ayslum application training courses as Dover never had any.
So now the present govt has a legal undertaking and legacy to abide by that agreement signed by Maggie over a pint of the ol'Guiness in Dublin and should a Tory party be elected at the next General election it will be very interesting to see how they can right the wrong they introduced without breaching EU law.
As for todays action it is merely a publicity stunt to try and send a message around the world that France is getting tough on refugees. Yeah right.....
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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22 September 2009
17:0729251if they have come from such poverty how do they find the enormous sums to pay people traffickers?
most seem to come from afganhistan, which supplies a large proportion of the world's heroin.
is there a connection?
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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22 September 2009
17:1629253Perhaps we should be breaching a lot more EU laws on the way out of that corrupt club.....
So just what elements of that agreement are not being fulfilled by our so called 'European Partners'? I am quite sure there is another side to that story Marek.... I must find time to do that research.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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22 September 2009
19:1029257ok vic if you want them here let me sugest that the goverment put up mobile homes at kearsney abby,bushy rough,russel gardens,river rec and crabble football/rugby ground on a permanat basis.
Guest 667- Registered: 6 Apr 2008
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22 September 2009
19:1729258Let all the men from Afghanistan between 18 and 40 in, vet then for being genuine them give them an option return home or learn how to fight for their rights .
Reopen a closed down army camp, set up an Afghanistan Regiment, training these young men from Afghanistan as soldiers using our soldiers to do the training, that way they get the best training. Once trained send them back to fight the Taliban & for their own Country.
Why should we loose our own good young men in our armed forces to fight for the freedom of these people when all they do is just run away and look for an easy life?
Sorry but I am one for bringing our boys home and seeing these people makes me feel they are not worth fighting for.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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22 September 2009
19:2629260interesting one harry, if they are genuine they would welcome the opportunity to free their fellow citizens.
much like all those polish servicemen in world war 2.
