howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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on the box earlier, a bloke from the un refugee unit visited calais with a view to opening an office there to explain to would be truck hoppers the benefits of staying in france rather than coming here.
he would have confirmed it in writing to them, but he is not allowed anything sharp.
Brian Dixon
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how about a blunt instrament ie a baseball bat or is that against the geneva convention.
When did that happen? That there were benefits to staying in France, I mean............
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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as of yesterday i belive.
Guest 686- Registered: 5 May 2009
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Another waste of time and effort. The French don't want the immigrants any more than we do, nor do the Begians, Germans, Italians, Spanish, Dutch, etc. etc. etc. If these people want asylum then let them apply for it in the correct manner. i.e. in the first country they come to rather than half way around the world.
To say that the EU border leaks like a sieve is being very kind indeed.
Fortuantely the UK border controls are very effective so very few are actually making it across the channel in or under trucks. I've no idea what the actual detection rate is but I would guess it's fairly high, especially in Calais. Dunkerque seems a bit haphazard and the controls at the tunnel seem pretty lax. Of course I may be being a bit unfair in these latter cases as I don't use Dunkerque on the inbound route and rarely use the tunnel at all.
Phil West
If at first you don't succeed, use a BIGGER hammer!!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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phil
the problem is that if the "refugees" do decide to stay in france, who will keep the back of your truck warm?
Guest 686- Registered: 5 May 2009
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We have the technology Howard - it's called a Night Heater and it's about all the hot air I can stand.
It's not a case of if the refugees decide anything. They seem determined to come to Britain because we're seen as a soft touch. The only way to change that is to somehow prove that we're not a soft touch anymore. In other words, those that do get in get shipped back home; no ifs, ands or buts. If these people have a legitimate claim for asylum then they must apply for it in the first safe country they come to not wait until they finally manage to smuggle themselves in.
I think I heard somewhere recently that the current estimate of the number of immigrants in the UK illegally and unregistered is around the 3 million mark (my memory may be playing tricks of course and it could be a lot less). That's one heck of a lot of spongers for the economy to support and they need to be rounded up and sent home too.
I have no problem with legitimate refugees or asylum seekers but they MUST enter this country legally.
Phil West
If at first you don't succeed, use a BIGGER hammer!!
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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well said phil.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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A lot more to it, but I do take on board what you say.
Guest 686- Registered: 5 May 2009
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I'm sure there is Keith but I'm not a politician nor particularly politically minded and can only say it as I see it. As a trucker I see the problems first hand in Calais with illegals being dragged out of trucks on a daily basis. As a Dover resident, like most on here, I have also seen the distress that an over-abundance of immigrants can cause to the local community.
Phil West
If at first you don't succeed, use a BIGGER hammer!!
Guest 658- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Phil Dunkirk on the return journey is definitely safer than Calais, the gendarmes keep moving them on. In fact now we wont even fuel up at diesel alley in Calais as its not safe.
beer the food of the gods
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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the problem needs to be adresed sooner rather than later.the refugees need rounding up detained sorted and returned to the country of origin within 2 weeks,with a warning not to return for 10 years.
How kind. Given that unlimited immigration is not a good thing, let's think how we might feel if, say, we had seen our parents raped and murdered in front of us, or had to witness the assault and murder of one of our children. or had the constant threat of violence to us and our kids. More refugees than is understood have these kinds of tales to tell. There are significant numbers who are criminals and thugs, soem who want more money, but a huge number are truly, genuinely, in fear of their lives. Don't let the thugs and thieves perpetuate the fear and loathing for the genuine refugees.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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bern,two questions pop up,1,why come to britain,2,its sounds like a well rehearsed story to me,3,where did they get the money to smuggle themselves this far.
Prostitution, slavery, degradation: they often pay the way. Some are well rehearsed, some are genuine. The genuine ones would break your heart and your faith in humanity.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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very impassioned bern, why the uk though?
do they think that the french will enslave them?
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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BERN/HOWARD
Immigration sadly will/has become a hot political issue.
Even though it has gone on for years and years, and yep Britain is known to have a heart to look after the genuine person in fear of there life.
hou
Those that just come over for a better life, although understood why, should be returned.
appeals should be short, and decisions made/carried out within weeks of being made.
theres a start
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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spoke to a prison officer this morning up at western hieghts the old borstel now holds 316 detainees awaitaing deportation.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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keith is right about prompt justice.
people just disappear into the background when they know that they have caught out.
I am proud that the UK is seen to have a heart. Yes, there needs to be a more effective management of the applications and a kind and helpful way of dealing with the individuals, and a better way of sifting people so that the hard-faced crims do not get in - I am not silly, there are many hard faced crims who queer the pitch of the genuine refugees, and I hope there is a special place in Hell for them. The bottom line is that (rather like "health and safety" and its relation to real life) these things cannot be boxed, pigeonholed or filed neatly. I would rather take in 10 misfits and capture one real refugee than risk missing that one. I have heard some bone-crunchingly, heart-mashing, eye-watering real life verified life histories that would reduce you (I hope) to a puddle, and if needs be would prefer to make a mistake than miss one of those poor, vulnerable people.
