Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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3 September 2009
10:1228434Your normal standard I see...
Guest 673- Registered: 16 Jun 2008
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3 September 2009
10:3228436Barry says that every single Labour government we have had has failed in economic disaster, which I think is true.
Unfortunately, the last Conservative government also failed the same way. John Major and Norman Lamont shovelled countless billions of our money down the pan trying to support the pound and stay in the European Exchange Rate Mechanism. We were forced out of the ERM on Black Wednesday 1992 and the Conservatives lost their reputation for economic competence and lost the next election.
Now we have had donkeys years of Prudence Brown as Chancellor and PM telling us that the days of boom and bust were over and that his was a steady hand on the tiller. This has all disintegrated in spectacular style and he is now a last chance Mississippi river boat gambler borrowing vast sums to throw in all directions and putting the country in hock for generations to come.
Neither party seems to offer much of an alternative and I would not trust either of them with the contents of my piggy bank. The rest of the world seems to run rings around us.
Sid Pollitt
3 September 2009
12:0028437If Cameron decends into the same type of personal attacks and pointless absurdities that one person in particular on here does then it isnt likely to go ahead.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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3 September 2009
13:5528438Look to yourself Sid.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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3 September 2009
14:1428439Ed - going back to the last Conservative Government, yes you are right that in 1992 we crashed out of the ERM and a fair bit of cash had to be spent supporting the £ before that. Lamont had to leep to the rules Major had signed us up to when he had taken us into ERM as Chancellor against Mrs T's wishes. You will recall that Mrs T and Sir Alan Waters held out against joining the ERM faced with an onslaught by pro-Europe Tories, the CBI, Trade Unions, Labour, Libs and most of the press for some time.
What is important though was that so called 'Black Wednesday' was more a 'White Wednesday' because that was a catylist for economic recovery from the recession. Everyone then realised Mrs T and Sir Alan were right about ERM and all the rest wrong!
There then followed 4 years of steady growth, the finances were brought quickly back into order and unemployment was reducing. Free from the ERM the economy prospered and as a result when the Conservatives left office the economy was in very good shape indeed.
Major lost the election because he led a tired Government, not because of economic issues. So I am afraid my point remains valid.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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3 September 2009
17:0428442barry
norman tebbitt said back in the eighties exactly what you have said here.
he predicted the end of the labour party and a toothless centre left party in it's place.
the british people will never let that happen.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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3 September 2009
17:1828446You overestimate the regard people have in Labour. I am sure Liberal supporters were thinking the same thing in the early part of this Century about their party. We have had the longest ever period of Labour in power and it is no coincidence that they are ending with the biggest bust in living memory.
Sid Pollitt
3 September 2009
17:4228447I think that having Cameron in a debate would being like having an empty chair, see what I've done there BarryW? I expressed an opinion. Just as, or more, valid than any you do on here. And you dont get it. Of course I'll carry on defending your right to post and challenge what people might say about you behind your back. But, what you dont understand is that your opinion is just that and not a fact. Being right wing doesnt make you right.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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3 September 2009
19:1028449You just make a complete fool of yourself every time you post Sid. I really dont know why I bother to respond to anything you say and frankly, I wont bother any more, I will just treat your posts with the contempt they deserve. After all everyone can see you exactly for what you are sop why bother.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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3 September 2009
19:3228451i suppose sky could do a debate for the children of voters.
just let sid and barry loose in the studio .
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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3 September 2009
19:4228452Ah now Sid and Barry..comon now lads stick to the politics..we're all club members here and we should be able to have a bit of debate and a little of the old argy bargy without falling out. Its great that you disagree but best avoid the personal stuff.
Brian Dixon
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4 September 2009
08:1728476the thought of 20 years of tory rule fills me with dread.thats acording to news paper reports.just an after thought,just wondering how much stuff will be cut to bone,and much of stuff will still be in british hands.time to move me thinks.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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4 September 2009
09:4628482Brian there will be massive public spending cuts whatever Party is elected.
It is an opportunity to reduce the overinflated role of the State in our lives. We expect the State to do far too much. We will get a far healthier society with us taking greater responsibility for ourselves.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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4 September 2009
10:5028486I found this an interesting comment about a debate:
"Mr Cameron has most to lose from engaging in a debate. He is so close to No 10, he can smell the leather chairs in the Cabinet room. The soft option would be to try to slip into power, taking no chances, leaving his adversary to drown in the red ink of ballooning government deficits and unemployment bills. That he seems prepared to take up the challenge of a televised shoot-out is to his credit, and a sign of growing confidence." - Jeff Randall in The Telegraph
I think he is right in this. We need more open and accountable Government overall and I hope DC will rise to providing it. This would be a start.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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4 September 2009
13:4728490barryw,sorry but the thing for us is to move to another country untill this one sorts it self out by using cheap labour and taxing everybody to death.
Sid Pollitt
4 September 2009
15:4228493The choice for the electorate will be between someone who has run the country and another who, if he wins, will be sniffing the furniture.