Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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31 August 2010
09:4868080 A morning stroll down the sea front at 08.15 this morning produced a result. Our local conservative MP Charlie Elphicke was doing a live interview for a breakfast news programme. I`m sure someone on here will know what he was being interviewed about.
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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31 August 2010
09:5568085They were probably asking him if the early morning train from St Pancras was on time?Of course it was the Port sell off that he has convinced Barry W to back,although on the first picture it seems as if he came by bike,thats where my bike had gone, the little B*****d has nicked it.Never trust a man that hasn't got a suit on! By the looks of it he has dropped a large round thing as well! Or even 2.
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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31 August 2010
11:0468100another scoop from our roving reporter and cameraperson.
could be that john has started a new caption competition too.
31 August 2010
13:0968111'I thought woks start at Calais?'
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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31 August 2010
13:2968113If I had been asked, I would have explained that among the petitions I signed to say democratically: no! to the port sell-off, was that which Charlie Elphicke promoted!
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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31 August 2010
13:4368116Petitions are worthless Alexander, many sign them without knowing what its about to get rid of the pest asking them to sign... Politicians know that. 50 individually written personal letters have a much greater impect than a 1000 signature petition.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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31 August 2010
13:5168118Rubbish, Barry! That is not true! You have no proof to what you have just stated about people signing petitions to get rid of the 'pest' asking them to sign. Petitions have a legal value, and I WILL chalenge anyone trying to trample down the legal value of petitions! People have signed petitions to say no! to selling Dover's Port, even by posting the signed petition in the post-box, as I did with the one that Charlie promoted. So! You tell me that I and others did this so as to 'get rid of the pest asking them to sign'?!
Barry, are you quite aware of what you are writing here? It is sheer nonsense!
I assure you, I will chalenge these attempts to stamp out Democracy! There are legal channels!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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31 August 2010
13:5368120alexander
people sometimes sign petitions purely because they have been asked to.
they are useful in some cases but lobbying by various individuals is much more effective.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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31 August 2010
13:5868123Alexander. Please get some facts into your posts.
Petitions have absolutely no legal value or status. Zero, zilch.
I was a member of DDC and I can assure you that a single letter providing a thoughtful and well argued case always had more impact of me than any number of signatures on any petition.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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31 August 2010
13:5968124back to the caption competition.
lady with microphone to charlie "if you don't clear that up i will rub your nose in it".
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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31 August 2010
14:3568127I can recall a petition raised while I was at school, signed by all the pupils, being presented to the headmaster. He very politely thanked the three pupils for bringing t to his attention and then dropped it into his waste-bin.
Look at it logically Alexander and a petition is just one letter, with a lot of signatures. If the person on the receiving end decides to answer it they do so with one letter to the organiser. Petitions have a place in demonstrating a level of support for the proposition on it but, in terms of response, ten letters from the public raising different aspects requires ten responses. One response is quickly dealt with and forgotten, ten responses mean that there is an issue to be addressed.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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31 August 2010
15:4168132Wrong again Barry,DDC and the 2 scruity committee except petitions and allow the people to speak for 3 mins,and at Scruity we listen and then recommend to Cabinet.I agree that lettersa are better than petitions but not everyone can or will write letters.
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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31 August 2010
15:5368134Barry, petitions have legal value, and a local petition, once the rules have been followed for its approval of being recognised as a petition, necessitates a minimum of 20 signatures and the receiving authority must reply to it, explaining why it has been accepted or not accepted.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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31 August 2010
15:5568136You do misinform people, Barry, at times, but on terms of Democracy, I will do my best to inform people! I will challenge you on this one, with facts, and am glad that JHG has given an authoritative explanation.
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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31 August 2010
16:3168140When you look at that John, DDC are still recognising the petition as a letter and allowing the instigator three minutes to speak. They will do the same for the writer of a letter so there is not a noticable difference.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
31 August 2010
17:3468146Meanwhile, ignorting the stupid petition rant again.....
I think the lady in red is asking our Charlie, "well Chas, how long have you been world giant marbles champion?"
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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31 August 2010
17:3868148good one sid, i was thinking along similar lines.
how about the lady in red again, "you seem alright but i have to admit a preference for that welsh bloke".
DT1- Location: Dover
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31 August 2010
17:4268150Forgive me if I'm wrong, but Mr Elphicke appears to be wearing denims with a blazer and tie. How can we expect him to represent us when he can barely dress himself.
Surely with denims it must be the 'top button undone' DC, casual, off duty 'look du jour'.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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31 August 2010
17:4568151John - you miss the point, you can accept petitions but they have no legal standing as such and are no different to letters (as has been pointed out by someone else.)
Alexander do dry up arguing the unarguable, your point has been answered, a petition has the same standing as a letter as Chris Precious points out. You try to pretend they are somehow binding and a democratic expression of wish - utter balls.
31 August 2010
17:4668152Which brings us nicely back to Charlies picture, well done Barry.
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
