Guest 700- Registered: 11 Jun 2010
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#41
Elizabeth said: My worry is that we return to system like the old parish relief
Yes, I agree, we don't want this again:
PARISH RELIEF refused to those who keep a dog or fighting cock !
Cinque Ports Herald 25 Mar 1826 p.3 col.4 Hint to Overseers : Thursday a pauper of Sutton in Ashfield applied to the sitting magistrate at Mansfield for relief; and on the Overseer being called to show cause stated that this man kept a dog and fighting cock; upon which the justices instantly dismissed the complaint, observing, that the Overseer had acted very properly. By law, no person is entitled to parochial relief who keeps a dog or fighting cock.
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#42
Alex, that 50g of Golden Virginia will set you back just over a fiver in Belgium.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#43
indeed had some from there at that price, currently a tenner in france.
Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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#44
Without wishing to denigrate the idea of food banks which serve a useful purpose politicians use these things as a political tool which, of course, is not surprising but highly disingenuous.
Any organisation who sets up shop offering things for free will always get willing customers walking through their doors. So when people talk about the rise in food banks remember that this wasn't a call from the poor who asked for these things but from those organised enough to open one in their area.
There will be an increase in food banks over the next few years but even during boom times you could create these things in every town up and down the country and they would fulfill a need.
So miliband can now stand up in the commons and will, inevitably, wag his finger during the next hustings and blame the increase of food banks on his opponents but will accept no responsibility for the way his party have actually increased poverty in the UK.
Sad but very, very predictable.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#45
rather crass of you philip, they don't just offer things for free - the full thread outlines the criteria.
not political either they started out in this country in the reign of the "caring peoples party".
Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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#46
It might have sounded crass, Howard, but remember that for every food bank that opens it's a few thousand more votes for miliband (or so he hopes) who will exploit this issue to the hilt.
It is also in his interests for fuel bills to rise.
It is also in his best interest for inflation to rise.
It is in his best interest for bad things to happen so that he can blame the government, not that lots of the blame for the state we're in belong there too.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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#47
How free can this be? How much 'spirit' is there to spare in the wallets and purses of those who find themselves in need of food-banks?
This food needs not only to be freely available, but freely donated. It is the flowery-hatted, self-righteously indignant and holier-than-thou approach , the seeing too much of their scrounging-selves in others, attitude that galls.
"Well, you do know that it'll only be thieves, whores and drunkards that will benefit in the end." Type stuff.
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#48
We've seen it too with job-seekers benefits:
allegedly they all sit all day in front of the 12 Bells ordering one beer after another, peeing on the pavement to annoy the public, smoking Havana cigars - demonstratively lit with a $50 bill - passing grass around purchased from high-class dealers, and loudly speaking how they got it all paid for with job-seekers allowance.
Then they all get on the bus with a free pass and take a ride to Folkestone to enjoy a free sauna bath paid for by the taxpayer where Port is offered in 200 mg glasses - silly taxpayer - and finally a supper in a 5 star restaurant enjoying kosher food served on silver platters.
All paid for with JOB-SEEKERS!
Yeah right
Brian Dixon
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#49
here you are peter and howard the full price list.
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#50
Alexander D - I was told they took taxis everywhere
but I've seen their chauffeurs collecting from the Eight Bells
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#51
let's not forget the subscriptions to skysports and films, amazing how far 70 quid a week goes.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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#52
With 70 % of the cuts still to hit home the number of Food Banks will rise....
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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#53
The Nasty Party is back, sneering at food banks and those who use them
First they peddled the Big Society, now the Tories bad-mouth these community projects...
"The latest figures from the Trussell Trust show that the demand for food banks is rapidly increasing. More than 350,000 people, between April and September this year, received a three-day food package of emergency staple sustenance. This is three times more than during the same period last year. David Cameron should, the Trussell Trust says, urgently look at this.
Another bleak problem I'd advise him to examine and quash is the growing, frankly shameful, vocal hostility within his party and supporters - Michael Gove, Lord Freud, Edwina Currie - to food banks themselves. It's incredible that a party which peddled notions of a Big Society now sneers when communities work together to be charitable, generous and empathic, to bring light, to stop hunger pains, to shove cheap tinned soup and budget brand cereal into the mouths of those without.
Using food banks is a last resort, they're the opposite of where one wants to be in life, rock bottom. This humiliating rigmarole of throwing oneself upon the mercy of strangers, signing the forms and queuing in return for a bag of dry pasta and some loo paper is not where those 350,000 people chose to be - as if they were a bit bored with the charcuterie selection down at Lidl.
The Trussell Trust also said some that recipients of emergency food supplies are so poor they're returning the tinned foods that requires cooking because they can't afford the power to heat the food up, which reminds me of that Jennifer Aniston line in Friends, "I really thought I had hit rock bottom, but today it's like rock bottom, 50 feet of crap and then me"..."
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/the-nasty-party-is-back-sneering-at-food-banks-and-those-who-use-them-8884442.html Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#54
there have been some unfortunate comments by people who should know better.
interesting e mail from alex at the dover food bank, permission given to reproduce it here.
Hi Howard,
The foodbank can be one piece in a puzzle. The agencies are responsible for deciding when someone is in a crisis and needs some food. They look at the whole picture. Foodbank is only one piece to the puzzle. For example if someone goes into an agency with difficulties, they start to look at all the possible solutions. The foodbank is only for a few days of short term crisis. This is why the only way to get food from the foodbank is to have a voucher. This helps to ensure that someone is getting all the help they need and not just food for three days. When someone is in need it can be complicated and the whole picture needs to be looked at. This why the criteria is not a specific description.
Does this help?
Let me know if you need more.
Many thanks,
Al
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#55
quite a boost for the deal version which has been going much longer.
good to see the local county councillors doing their bit, over to gordon and pam now.
http://www.kentonline.co.uk/east_kent_mercury/news/deal-foodbank-shows-off-new-7601Guest 1082- Registered: 16 Oct 2013
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#56
While I applaude the sentiment, I can't help thinking that money would have bought an awful lot of food.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#57
i can see why you say that elizabeth but deal has a lot of people in outlying areas in need of the food bank, not quite the same with dover.
usually volunteers are retired people on set incomes and i wonder how long they would continue to spend out on fuel.
just to add to that the new vehicle will be very cost effective with the amounts that can be moved around.
Guest 1082- Registered: 16 Oct 2013
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#58
Yes you are right Howard. There are a lot of villages that must come under the Deal area.
Guest 756- Registered: 6 Jun 2012
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#59
I know an elderly gent who lives in a very rural area who has just spent his winter fuel allowance topping up his oil tank only to have it all stolen two days later. He will be using the food bank.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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#60
Heating Oil thefts are the main topic on local news sites;Kent Online etc.
Next, news on when apples are ripe, or the surprise that the school holidays are upon us?
Who is buying this stuff;at knock-down prices off some unmarked tanker? That is the big question.
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