Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#1
As you know I went for this last year and I came second out of 6 candidates A Dr got the post but only by a few votes. I am hoping to go one better next year,if any of you wish to stand aswell then now is the time to get your information pks from the trust.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#2
do the governors actually have any real powers vic?
#3
Being a member is good enough for me!
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#4
I think their views are looked at,but sorry I realy do not know on that one at this time. Howard.
#5
If you don't know the remit of the role Vic, how will you campaign, and why would you risk it without knowing about it??!!
#6
Vic your putting your self under a lot of strain they wont listen they have there agenda and what ever you or other members say wont matter, but i wish you all the best
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#7
I know what need s to be done and hopfully my roll if I get in,but that is not what I was asked,Howard asked " Do the Governors have have any real power,"I could have lied and said yes,but I am many things but lieing is not one of them,I do not know what if any that a public Governor has,because I have not been one. Looking at the Booket I have ,"The Council of governors has no statutory authority over the operatationl management of the foundation trust,they are not involved in the day to day running of the trust nor setting budgets or staff pay,cannot veto or over -rule decisions made by the board of directors.do not inspect the Trust services. The roll of a governor,is Governors must act in the best interests of the NHS FOUNDATION TRUST. The
council of governors should hold the board of directors collectively to account for the performance of the trust.
(1)ensuring the board of directors acts so that the NHS trust does not breach the terms of its authorisation.
(2)Governors are responsible for regularly feeding back information about the trust,its vision and its performace to the constituencies and the stakeholder organisations that either elected them or appointed them.
Governors statutory roles. Appointing,removing and deciding the terms of office of the chair and other non-exective directors, and approving the appointment of the chief exective.
Reviewing the annual accounts, auditors report and annual report at a general; meeting.
appointing and removing the auditor.
And express a view on the boards forward plan.There is alot more to go with that,but yes they do have powers as you can see.
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
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#8
Interesting that Governors should act in the best interests of the Trust & not the general public, I don't see the two are the same in this case.
Watty
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#9
that's right it all seems a bit too matey, would be better if the governors had a "haul over the coals" role.
furthermore they appear to have the task of rubber stamping the appointment of the chief executive but have no say in who gets the job in the first place.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#10
As I said before there is alot more in the booket,but As I said when I went for it last year,I would be there to get the best for the new Dover Hospital (When it is build)
#11
The role of the public Govenor is very tightly defined It is to represent the Trust to act as the public face of the trust it specifically is not to campaign on any particular agenda or item and to reflect the views of ALL people from the area one is elected from. It has a role bur not necessarily an executive function. That is why after due consideration I have decided not to put myself forward for election I feel I can be of more use in an external role. Hope that makes sense as I'm typing this on a train
#12
Perfect sense, and why I was curious about Vic going for it. I would encourage him to read the small print.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#13
#10, Vic, that was what Lorraine Sencicle hoped to do a couple of years ago. She was duly elected but when she discovered the constraints placed upon her as mentioned by Sarah, she had no choice but to resign.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#14
no wonder vic is not promoting the public rally, there would be no chance of him being voted on .
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#15
Wait and see,as I said second last time.As for the Rally that is already being well supported it does not need any imput from myself.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#16
I think the point Vic, as PaulW pointed out, is that you will have collective responsibility to support the trust, not fight for what the public want/need.
You will be betraying your personal views and if you are principled enough, will have to resign, as Peter said, like Lorraine Sencicle.
Roger
#17
Vic, you post a lot, and that is welcome. Do you read the other posts properly?
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#18
Brern yes I do. But I can not see anyway that a rally at this very time will work.
So lets just look what might happen when the rally goes ahead.
Yes there will write up in the local press and you might even get on the local TV. So you march from one end of the town to the other when you get at the Town hall you will have a open air meeting it might be raining hard and very cold which will cut the numbers down. The mp will get up and a few others ,then you will all go home thinking that was great good turnout and we have put our points over to the NHS, then what happens,well in a few days or maybe two weeks it will all be put at the back of the publics mines because Xmas will with us and they will be thinking about that and not the NHS RALLY,The very best the rally might do is put back again the build of the new Hospital. Now in my way of thinking the better way is my way.
If there are about 2 or 3000 turn up for the rally,just think what might happen if that number joined as members of the trust,that can be done very easy as some of you know,what would that do
?
(1) It would open one very big door and give the public of Dover a much bigger say,at NHS meetings and the heads of the trust would be there.
(2) It would give Dover the most members of the trust,which would open more doors, at this time there are not many from Dover at the meetings but we do get up and support Dover.
Now lets just look at it from the Trust.
(1)It would have been very easy at this time to delay the new build by just saying"With all the cutbacks that are being made not only in the NHS but the whole of the Uk, but they have not done that,they told all of us at the last meeting at the town hall,that the £20million is still in the pot and that is for the new Hospital at Dover, I could go and on,but Will stop now.
#19
Why is it presumed in post 18 that the people on the rally will not also be members of the trust ?
Also NHS budgets for next year are facing thier most extreme cuts in recent history so what is in the coffers as of November 2011 may be very different come April 2012 when the new finacial year starts given the cost savings and CRES adjustments that must be made plus any financial penalties for overspends and missed targets that will come into play during the last quarter of the financial year .
#20
Vic, I meant do you read the posts about the effect of election on the capacity to represent Dover effectively?