Guest 699- Registered: 3 Jun 2010
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4 November 2010
18:3578468see the paths have been re surfaced , trees trimmed , white lining being done and the red phone box by the rec re-painted red
so a couple of years ago we was told of the city workers who move down once the high speed took an hour
so all set up now 20 minute walk to station and both primary and secondary schools only 10 mintue walk
so will 2011 be the year the house prices take off in dover ?
today a 3 bed semi on a website for dover has increased by 5 % for the year
Keith Sansum1
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4 November 2010
18:4278469Everybody hopes so, but not sure what effect TAKES OFF will have on the community, and livng a couple of roads away I hope its for the better
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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4 November 2010
18:5178470Good to hear that Ron; Elmsvale is a good area, but until recently the weeds were getting higher and higher.
People who work in London and live in Dover (or any coastal Town), usually are on a high(ish) wage - I was when I worked there 16 years ago, so they could sell their 3/4 bedroom semi or whatever and move down to Dover, buy their similar sized house with no mortgage and still have thousands left over to buy somewhere in France. I wish.
They'll spend here too of course.
Roger
Ross Miller
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4 November 2010
19:0978481I think those last 2 paragraphs sort of apply to me, though I didn't have a house to sell and do not have somewhere in France; yet anyway
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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5 November 2010
07:4078545Glad to hear you are a high (ish) wage earner though Ross. 16 years ago, my salary at Natwest was £40,000, now it's a tiny fraction of that, helped of course by the CoC.
Roger
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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5 November 2010
09:1878554why did i know the COC would get a mention
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Guest 700- Registered: 11 Jun 2010
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5 November 2010
12:1578574Elms Vale Road, neat and clean in 1905:
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Guest 694- Registered: 22 Mar 2010
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5 November 2010
12:2178576Kath you always astound me with these pics.. love them!
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5 November 2010
12:3078580My husband's collection, he is gradually getting them copied into the Museum pictures bank.
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Guest 699- Registered: 3 Jun 2010
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5 November 2010
12:4778593nice photo kath , have you any facing other way towards the rec , think they were built around the 30,s
so does anyone know how far the houses went up towards church ro ad at time of kaths photo ?
5 November 2010
16:3278645Kath, lovely picture.
Guest 700- Registered: 11 Jun 2010
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5 November 2010
19:3878701Ron - Not sure exactly how far the houses went towards Church Road at that time- the above photo was about 1905, there would have been a row of shops (as in recent times) there, and maybe some other houses. Local street directories would confirm this.
Below is one which shows Elms Vale School in Markland Road , (pre 1936) - as the first house past the school, (No.46 Markland Road) on the school side, was not built until 1936, Bob's parents were the first owners, the house was in the family until about 5 years ago. Bob was born there. Houses on the other side of the school (right of picture) were much older and in a terrace.
Elms Vale Road (centre of picture), semi detached houses were then being developed, appear on photo on one side of road only.
Dover Grammar School (fairly new building then), can seen at top of photo.
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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5 November 2010
22:5078723Roger, something new again, a twist to the rebus!
The other day it was this: people working in Dover but living elsewhere should move to the planned Whitfireld development area. Now it is: people working in Lodon can move to Dover.
An interesting combination. I think over what comes from DDC, I really do!
Well yeah, why not? We could even build houses in River. I was thinking of Temple Yewel, that big green lawn there. Oh, no, we don't need any houses for our own generation, really, let's just invite half of London over! We could also form one aglomerate with Folkestone, and build rows of houses after Maxton. A good idea really! I'm not criticizing here, I'm trying to figure out if it's a good idea.
Yes, may-be it is. That green lawn in River seems a good place to propose. I might even bring up a name for a new suburb. Emm, hows about Charing Cross?
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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6 November 2010
10:0078749A successful vibrant town will always be a mixture of long term locals (i.e. many generations) and more recent incomers. It is also surely preferable to, as far as is possible, have people who wok in a town also live in or at worst very close to that town (economically this is good, environmentally this is good).
In order to keep the former and attract the latter one needs to provide adequate quality housing to meet the demand/need of both groups as well as good social infrastructure (schools, health facilities, transport links etc.) and a decent retail/leisure environment.
It is clear that over the last generation, due to many factors, mostly economic, the town has declined and possibly hit stagnation point, however a small minority of people (some involved in local government, some not) are not happy with this situation and have got off their backsides and tried to address the issues and make Dover an attractive destination for both incomers and locals.
None of the proposed housing developments (Whitfield, town centre brown field/in fill) or the improved transport links are exclusively aimed at or for the benefit of incomers, but these are convenient shorthands for the aspirations held not only by the likes of Paul W and Roger, but also many of us in the town and district.
(P.S. apologies for my previous intemperate post which has kindly been removed)
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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6 November 2010
18:3878813I am trying to figure out what exactly DDC aim at, what and who they work for, apart from Dover as a locality on the map. Paul Watkins stated that people working in Dover but living outside, should settle here.
Roger states that people working in London can also settle here!
By law, it's possible that people can move from one part of the Country to another and settle down, but if DDC has a specific promotion plan to do both Paul Watlkin's plan and Roger Walkden's, then at least I know where we stand. Unless Roger meant something else, I understood it as I have pointed out here.
The reason why I want to make sure here of his intentions, is because I am pretty convinced many people here in Dover don't agree, and when campaigning, I don't want to give wrong information, hence these two posts. Ultimately, the Council Elections will decide which plans for Dover get promoted at the Council.
Usually, a Council is supposed to represent the people within the boundareis, not people who don't live there.
Adding to this, one would assume that many people would leave an empty house behind if they move to Dover, so DDC seem to be planning an internal migration from, let's say, for example, Aldershot and Hastings and wherever, or Glasgow if you like, to Dover. But what do other Councils think, when they have empty houses left because tens of thousand migrated to Dover?
It's not a coherent policy, it does not reflect a national necessity, nor a local Dovorian need.
It has nothing to do with dedicating mind and sould to the Community, but is all about trying to change the demographic identity of Dover.
May-be Mr. Walkden would like to know that I might have moved to Elmsvale, or my son, or grandson, or their children!!! I can't see local unemployed people being satisfied with local jobs, but rather one never ending invitation for all and sundry to come here and open shops.
6 November 2010
19:0178816Alexander, since 2004 net immigration to the UK has been around 200,000 each year.
Now unless we are going to stack them vertically......?
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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6 November 2010
19:3278826roflmao
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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6 November 2010
23:2078855Alexander your years behind they tried that building on River Rec in 1987 but the locals stood up and and won the battle .The rec is now owned by the Parish .The Athletic Ground and Football Ground is another story .
Jan Higgins
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6 November 2010
23:2578856Could someone please explain what Alexander's ramblings have to do with Elmsvale.
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Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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6 November 2010
23:2978858good question
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