howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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thought i would make that clear.
tomorrows polls.
icm/grauniad
blues 33%
reds 28%
yellows 28%
yougov/sun
blues 34%
yellows 29%
reds 28%
these did surprise me, i thought that the blues were on a roll.
bigotgate will be taken into account with these polls.
i realise that swings are not uniform and the blues have out a lot of money and effort into red marginals.
however the cove on skynews made the point that in blue marginals the party a la victor has improved its rating.
still all to play for, what can the bigwigs of the parties in the three days of campaigning left?
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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Well it is definitely the oddest election ever. It looked a few days ago that the Conservatives were starting to put real daylight between themselves and the others after Cameron had a good final debate, but all seems to have settled back into the status quo there Howard.
With Gordon Brown shooting himself in the foot with 'bigotgate' and then being through the media mill, he seems to be still in there fighting quite well. How the Tories havent run away with it by now is amazingly baffling. And yes the buzzword this time around is 'change'..but no, the public out there are not opting massively for Conservative change, but grasping onto Nick Clegg...who seems to be mobbed everywhere he goes...as the man who will give them a change in the voting system, so that a wider group of parties can get a voice in politics...people like UKIP and the Greens and so on.
So its still all to play for with the polls indicating hung parliament. Somebody will need to strike a decisive blow for victory in the next few days or it will remain roughly as is pollwise.
Dover itself is very hard to call. Very energetic campaigns being run by all the main players. Projections initially thought it would be a Conservative gain, then projections changed more recently to a Labour hold...so its a very close run thing here in Dover...with UKIP and the LIbDems having a big input too, but who will the smaller parties take those precious votes from?
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Howard - you need to be careful of polls conducted over a bank Holiday weekend as they are notoriously unreliable. That was true of Easter and I am sure is the case of last nights and I suspect tonights, whatever they show.
PaulB - the LibDem revival should help the Conservatives in Dover. I am happy with what I have seen and heard.
I agree Barry , but all the polls since the tv debates point to a hung parliament that should be fun .
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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the opposition have clearly stated that they would not consider working with the yellows in the event of no overall majority.
the only answer then would be the two defeated parties forming a government.
ludicrous situation.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Mark - thats not true actually. newspapers love the UNS basis because it makes a good story but the fact is that a Tory 37% of the vote still gives us a chance of a majority regardless of UNS. This is frankly a difficult election to call between a hung parliament or Conservative majority.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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No Howard, a minority Government is an option.
Well i think a hung parliament with the mighty yellows and a bit of red would do Britain a world of good. Torys want to many cuts and being a student myself there are enough of them already .
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Dream on Melissa.
Watty
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If it's a minority government. I think the party/parties that pull the plug will suffer from the electorate as they go back to the polls.
Watty
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Melissa - face facts, there will be cuts, big cuts, whoever wins. They cannot be avoided and the blame is Brown's because of his mismanagement.
Jeez - anyone would think UK was the only country in the world to be feeling the recession pinch. Mismanagement isn't the root cause, greed and capitalism is. There, I said it.
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Mismanagement & social policy that leads to debt. The social legislation/policy of sub prime mortages started under Clinton, with cleverly bundled up debt, THEN sold on, hidden from balance sheets, not identified by FSA.
Equalities legislation was then applied to banks to stop debt being called in and more debt sanctioned.
Could go on Bern, but we need some fun in life.
Watty
Clinton - isn't he that US capitalist? Friends with banks who are, erm, capitalists?
You are right though: my own persoanl favourite phrase is Life's Too Short........
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Did not Clinton appoint Greenspan, who is now acknowledged as the architect of lax monetary policy.
For Clinton read Blair. For Greenspan read Brown+++++
As we know Clinton had many other attributes!!
Watty
Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
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See this is why I am of the opinion that all politicians are charlatans and mountebanks, sod the electorate, sod telling the truth and looking to do the right thing, just spend every opportunity blaming the other lot,
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
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And your opinions are not motivated Ross.
Never seen you holding back.
Why should I ?
You use your closed views.
Perhaps you could leave me to make my points without the snide little comments.
Always strikes me we get your type of response when you don't like the reply.
Watty
That's the reality of the game Ross; we have to deal with it. Maybe one way is to make voting compulsory but allow a "None of the above" option. Where "none of the above" is a majority, a re-run would be required to gt a definite result. Don't consider the cost (the politicians defence for no change) because it would be miniscule compared to the spend and debt accumulation of the last 13 years.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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totally agree with sid on this one.
compulsory to turn up at the polling station, people with beliefs that stop them from voting can always mar the ballot paper.
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Agree with last two postings.
Watty