howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Guest 658- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I don't believe the gun laws need tightening at all, as far as i can see this event was caused by poor use of existing regulations as was Dunblane. Neither person should have been able to keep their certificates.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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there must be some changes, this individual was known to have mental health problems.
according to the article canadian law needs the partner of the gun holder to give their consent.
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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I dont know why a taxi driver living in an ordinary house needs six gun permits. He had six guns. What is it about taxi drivers? the last guy that ran amok and killed members of the public was also a taxi driver and also had a permit. Once any sign of instability is shown the guns should be taken away...full stop!
The existing regulations are probably too lax. These are not criminal guns, thats another issue, but why arent guns kept at a licensed gun club rather than in the ordinary home where they can be subjected to misuse. An ordinary row about what to watch on television could escalate into a shooting, whereas without a gun laying there the row might peter out, and the guy go and do a bit of whittling or something in his shed.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Well said Guzzler.
The problem is the way existing laws are applied and not a need for new law.
I remember the knee jerk reaction to Dunblane when hand guns were banned. Of course only those holding them legally were affected and after the ban gun crime and illegal guns increased. Bad knee jerk lawmaking solves nothing. The only thing the handgun ban achieved was damage an Olympic sport at which we were once good at.
Guest 732- Registered: 8 Nov 2011
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BarryW you are spot on
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Keeping all hand-guns, for Olympic or casual sport, locked in the club seems perfectly reasonable to me. The sole purpose of such weapons outside of sport is to kill people.
Yes, if only the law as it stands with regard to shot-gun licenses was applied with due rigour, that would help too.
The possession of automatic weapons and the conversion of 'trophy' weapons to live-firing both should carry severe sentences.
Of course, things as they stand do help to explain away the shoot-first habits of police forces up and down the land.
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Tom - are you suggesting that you can still fire pistols in the UK provided they are kept in clubs? if so then you are wrong.
Extract from Croydon Gun Club website in answer to a FAQ asking if pistols can be fired:
"""Sorry no, since the Dunblane murders in 1996 all modern handguns are effectively banned. All we are allowed to shoot are bolt & lever action rifles (Winchester Rifle types), semi-autoloading rifles in .22 calibre & muzzle loading pistols."""
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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if the law is not working due to lack of implementation then a new law must be drafted, innocent lives lost are much important than any other consideration.
why does anyone need a gun in their house anyway?
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Barry, no. Not quite. I was stating an ideal and pointing-up the folly of post-Dunblane legislation.
Howard, quite right. No need for domestic fire-arms.
BUT
If the laws we have are not being implemented what magic-bullet will new legislation provide?
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Ah, so we actually agree then Tom...
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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We agree on so much Barry I'm surprised you missed this opportunity.
Our mutual use of the 'broad central parting' of the hair, for instance. Though I have moved on from the Lumber Jack look.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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Every time there is a problem people shout for law to be changed.
Re - post#3........this individual was known to have mental health problems.
That means to me that some one was not doing their job correctly.
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
The Gentlemen here have made excellent comments, may I add one from a female who shoots for sport?
I participate in the sport of clay pigeon shooting, rather like those who shoot game, much of our entertainment is provided by generous landowners who kindly allow us to set up traps and shoot at clay discs whoch fly through the air. Facilities to store shotguns and cartridges are simply not available at the majority of country venues. Of course there are shooting grounds which may provide such facilities at a cost but this would push the sport out of reach for many. Team GB have been very successful in these disciplines and it is rooted is traditional country sports. Tragedies polarise our minds but read the detail - in the most recect awful incident Police had been advised that the licence holder was suffering from depression, so whay oh why did nothing happen?
I would add that it isn't particularly easy to obtain a shotgun certificate, even more so a firearms license. If any change is needed, I would venture to suggest that an obligation is placed on the Police to follow up if a report is received about anyone who has a gun. I would also add that in over 25 years of having shotguns in the house, we have had 2 visits from the local Firearms Officer to check out security and safety of our guns and cartridge store. This should be done at every renewal!
Lordy, need a glass of wine after that!
PS, if anyone would like to try clay shooting, just ask!
Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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Excellent post Cathy, Thank you for bringing the keeping of fire arms to our attention.
I would like to take you up on your offer of a clay day, you name it Iv'e fired it but never a shotgun.
My e-mail is on my profile.
Thank you.
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
I will email you Cathy if thats ok ,
Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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Sarah you have no e-mail address on your profile, can you drop me a line please.
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
Of course Ian , I will do that now
Hi Cathy and welcome. I have emailed you!
Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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Things are on the up.
A date has been agreed for a clay day and I will supply the photos.
Looking forward to it.
This is a move on from the first post, not all licence holders have mental health problems.
just different ways of enjoying life and policed properly.
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.