Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Men jailed for "honour" assault and robbery
Passing by with little or no mention in the press - perhaps eclipsed by the Shafilea Ahmed murder trial - is another incident of so called 'honour' violence from Luton.
Two boys, aged 16 and 18, were dragged into a car and savagely beaten for the crime of innocently speaking to a mans sister in the Arndale Centre.
Akash Ali, 20, assisted by friends Mohammed Dad, 23, and Hamzah Hussain, 20, forced them into a waiting car where they were repeatedly punched by Ali and Dad.
In a demonstration of honour - an honour theft? - Ali then robbed both teenagers, taking an expensive watch and a Blackberry phone.
When arrested approximately an hour later, Hussain was wearing the stolen watch.
Ali was jailed for 30 months, Hussain for 18 months, and Dad for 10 months.
Judge Michael Kay, commenting when passing sentence at Luton Crown Court, said that "This was a form of honour beating to teach them a lesson not to talk to your sister. It was shocking and outrageous behaviour that will not be tolerated."
Even the courts, police, and media, refer to 'honour' these days - it somehow seems to make an offence sound less bad, almost an excuse to mitigate utterly unacceptable behaviour on behalf of people from foreign cultures.
None dare tell it as it is though - that this barbaric concept of honour did not exist here before, it has been entirely imported and made into a problem which the people and authorities of Britain now have to deal with.
This largely unreported incident from Luton is just one among many thousands of such incidents; most never make it into the media at all.
Honour though? Let's just tell the truth - it's alien barbarity and brutality given a new home in Britain; the honour label can be thrown in the bin.
And theirs me thinking that for kidnapping with violence you'd get 5 years +
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Good Post Keith B - I agree with what you have to say.
Sometimes it seems just a good excuse to beat the sh** out of someone, so no honour at all.
Harsher sentences should be given.
Roger
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Haw did our justice system become so disconnected from the British cultural concept of right and wrong,
That we tolerate, and accommodate the Back-would cultures of
New comers.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I don't know KeithB, but backward it is and must not be treated separately to other crimes. It's of course not every newcomer to these shores, but everyone of them should know what is expected of them - on all levels too.
Roger
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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The collusion in all of this seems to be widespread. No comment from, and precious little mention of, the 'sister'.
If 'we' are to overcome this sort of barbarity a start could be made by bring the female into this story.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I understand the sister saw it all but was simply too scared to say anything then, I guess she thought the same might happen to her. I don't know what made her speak up now though.
Roger
Jan Higgins
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It must have taken a lot of courage to speak out against her parents after all that time.
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Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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'Honour' and 'Crime' just do not go together. There is NEVER any honour in criminality. There's nothing honourable about murdering the weak and vulnerable. There's nothing honourable about the type of cowardice where the weak are lured into a situation and then beaten and robbed by a bunch of bullies. There is no honour in the influential and powerful coercing those in their care into a course of action that runs counter to their wishes.
News readers, media organisations, authorities and others describing such crimes against the family and between families should drop any suggestion that honour might be involved and call it what it is - cowardly bullying, child abuse, shameful murder. Calling it 'honour crime' is an insult to everyone who is truly honourable and perpetuates the acceptance of such crimes within the communities where they happen, perpetuates oppression of the vulnerable and the weak and perpetuates the attitude that its 'ok' to bully and rob as a gang if the victim apparently does something the perpetrator doesn't like.
Murder is murder, theft is theft, child abuse is child abuse and kidnapping is kidnapping, all are shameful, illegal acts.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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agree with all the above, the people involved escape justice too often because of closed societies not willing to report what goes on coupled with the police and social services treading too carefully in case they do not upset cultural sensibilities.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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So true Neil and it is about time that the official bodies stopped using the proverbial kid glove.
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Well said Neil.
Roger
Brian Dixon
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is there no honer with in these famlys,deafitly barbaric,when will they conform to western laws,and execpt that its not done here.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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That's the point Brian, it's not allowed here and is barbaric. When in Rome - as Ian says.
Roger
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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if thats the case,the threat of deportation to the country of origin should be implycated strongly.if they insist then deport them penniless.
ok i know thats a bit strong but things like this need to be put across that its not aceptible here.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Agreed Brian, but we already have trouble deporting known criminals because of THEIR civil rights, OUR civil rights do not matter so they carry on robbing, raping even murdering.
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Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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I think there is a little too much of a media wind-up in all this.
A bunch of young men put their heads together to plan and then embark upon 'wrongdoing'. Ordinarily, ones mind would light upon, as an example, the Young Conservatives.
For many similarly foolhardy actions are undertaken and excused by 'boyish prank', 'youthful-over-exuberance', or 'too much liquid refreshment'.
This too was simply assault and theft, were it a Policeman's helmet that was stolen, with one or more of the tried and trusted excuses used, somebody somewhere would remark, "we were all young once".
That these particular ruffians attempt to excuse themselves with the alien concept of 'honour' does not lift them from the ranks of ordinary thug, but neither does it make them any more contemptible than any other thugs.
I say again. What is telling about this whole sorry tale is sustained and continued absence of input or comment from the sister or any other woman.
[many years ago here it was the norm for a bride to bring a dowry to the match, and not many years ago (or even still to this day) it was/is common practice for the bride's parents to pay for the wedding. (I say 'parents', but was it not more usually the bride's 'father' who paid?)]
Some cultures may well be behind our own, but not by much.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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lost me there tom the issue is about cold blooded murder of a teenager by her parents.
no high jinks or jolly japes here.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Au contraire Howie. The 'topic' introduced in #1 is of assault and theft.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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jan,if the honor thing go's on and they are covicted,they should not have any human rights toboot.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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They shouldn't Brian, but they do; the the do-gooders is Brussels interpret the Human Rights Act without any Human reponsibilities so criminals of all description get more consideration than the victims.
The HRA is a farce that we stick to, too rigidly.
Roger