Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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17 December 2009
13:3635026You all know for the past ten years I have been telling Dover how bad their Planning office is,I have even told Mr Walkins,Mr Collor,and even the chief Mr Nadeem Aziz that their planning dept is holding the Town back and costed the council and lot of funding,and not only that they also have cost companys the same, for years now that dept have been turning down plans,the companys amend the plans come back again only to have them turned down time and time again.
I reported to you and the local papers that companys are walking away from Dover,the cost to them trying to do a development is to high,other towns would meet them with open arms for what Dover again has just turned down .
Today in the Dover Express we see yet again our very bad planners at it again a 12million investment along side that 120 new jobs.
We the public have just found out yet the application was first submitted in 2007 the plans were turned down,so back to the drawing table again for the company more cost,s then back the planning dept again in 2009 they had done what the dept asked of,and yet again it was turned down.
The officer a TimFisher says,now please take this in
.The warehouse would be taking up land set aside for office and industrial use,Has this man looked around him at the units still not taken up and all the offices not in use .
He goes on to say it could hit plans for the town centre development.
I say "What planet is this person from,we all know that the development of the town centre is years away if ever.This developent on the White Cliffs Business park ,is and I say it again is "Work and jobs for today not years ahead.
Even if the Development of the Town centre went ahead it will be years in the making and before we would see shops opening.
If any DEPT SHOULD GO AT THE D,D,C it must be this one .
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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17 December 2009
14:0935027like yourself victor, i had not not heard a word about this proposed development until today.
unlike yourself, i believe that the planning officers have got it right, it woul be the death knell for the regeneration of the town.
more big shops at whitfield would have been catastrophic.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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17 December 2009
14:4135028Good on them, less out of town the better, lets get the investment for St James's, Buckland Mill and the Charlton Centre first !
Been nice knowing you :)
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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17 December 2009
15:0035029I would agree but it is years away,I think you should never turn down investment,as the town centre is today and that is what you looking at it would not harm them at all it might even help geting more of the public to come to our District and some will come into the town.
What to have put St James that has been going on now for over 20years nothing yet. Buckland mill is going to be in main homes.and for Charlton centre it has never been that good but MORRINSONS will be a big help there.the shops that would go up to the park would not come down to the town centre.
JUST thinl of the EX funding coming in and the Jobs yes some might be part-time but not all.Take what you can get or lose it.
It will only go to Folkestone or some where,so lets have it in dover,
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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17 December 2009
15:1435030This is just 3of the stores that would like to come Comets,Wickes,Furniture Village, we have no shop like that in Dover most of us use them so we go to Canterbury so this way we stay at home,we have been saying for years when is dover going to get the big stores here well we can now,so do not turn them away,they will not come again even if the Dover town development comes in some years time,we have seen it before with the then .....mfi store and others,if they walk away you will never get them back,
Brian Dixon
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17 December 2009
17:0335033vic,theres a comet shop in folkestone a 10 minute drive.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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17 December 2009
19:2535052Brian does that mean then we can not have one too,we need all the shops and out lets we can get.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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17 December 2009
20:1735059getting back to vic;s original post, why was the application lodged in 2007 turned down?
if the developers put in another two years work on this, they must be pretty miffed if the location was never acceptable.
we need roger or paul w on this one, i think.
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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17 December 2009
20:1835060I have to say Im with Vic on this one .With more frequent buses to Whitfield it would be good to actuall buy White Goods there .Dixons are no longer in town so a Comet would be good .Its not always easy ordering on line.If the land at Whitfield is all designated for Idustrial use how come more businesseshave not moved up there from Coome Valley .We saw what happened when the bridge was struck .
Brian ten minute ride to Folkestone if you drive .
Im totally amazed at people who assume we all own cars .The car owners can be quite rude towards us bus users .Its very difficult this time of the year with extra bags to carry
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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17 December 2009
20:3735063Howard and Sue thank you,at last some are seeing it the same way as me Dover needs them stores ,as i said above it will be years before anything is done in the Town.Once they are up and running,they can always move down to Townwall st if it does ever get done but again years away in it is now we need the jobs and work and the funding it would make, You all must see that.
Terry Nunn
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17 December 2009
20:4935064"With more frequent buses to Whitfield it would be good to actuall buy White Goods there"
I'm smiling at the thought of Sue taking a washing machine on the bus!
Terry
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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17 December 2009
20:5335065Terry I would get it home for her,she is on my side bless her.
Guest 690- Registered: 10 Oct 2009
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17 December 2009
21:0435067The great days of Courts, Woolworths...........sigh. Do need a good furniture shop in Dover.
Tell them that I came, and no one answered.
Guest 651- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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17 December 2009
21:1735068What is happening is that they are just constantly diluting the market with too many large stores all over East Kent.. there is only so much spending money available in an area.... they say it will encourage £8 million (i think it was) that was being spent in other areas but that can only make other stores less profitable.
Been nice knowing you :)
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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17 December 2009
21:4335071paul has made a good point there, canterbury and folkestone out of town stores would be hit by another out of town complex not far from us.
westwood cross has damaged ramsgate after all the investment in their waterfront.
most white goods have to be delivered to the house anyway, so it would mean car use for most people up to the whitfield moorland and back.
then a delivery van doing the same thing a few days later, hardly good for the environment.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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17 December 2009
21:5535072Think iv posted on this before, Myself and D Smallwood only district councillors to speak out when B and Q proposed to move to whitfield, warning the effects on the town shop.
Sad but it is very difficult to get all your shopping in Dover.
I cant believe such a major port has so little facilities, when ever i go away to wales and manchester peole who have visited Dover have such a poor image of our lovely town.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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17 December 2009
22:0635076we were all shocked when wickes finally went, they always seemd to have the answer to any household crisis.
i often wonder how well they have done up at whitfield, with all the extra overheads.
Guest 674- Registered: 25 Jun 2008
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17 December 2009
22:1735077Wot has always been my concern is the planning dept always looks for reasons why they cant do things rather than what they can do.
I have posted on a very small scale how the planners stopped our small club taking kids off the street in Aycliffe by hiding behind land of natural beauty.
it would have been so good for the area, cost the council nowt.
the club will go on, but sadly some kids have lost out because the planners said no, and should have said how can we help to make it happen.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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17 December 2009
23:1935085Howard Why are you worred about Canterbury and Folkestone are they worred about Dover,"no ".
Folkestone has one of the rich,s men in the U.K. LOOKING after it and he does Canterbury does not need looking after they will all ways be alot better off then Dover,the new stores at the tip of the hill could be the the kick off this town needs if we say yes to them others will come,if we say no it will be a nail again in the box.And that box is ready to go in the
ground now.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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17 December 2009
23:2335088This post has only been put on in the last few hours and already there has been 154viewers to it,so there are lots of the public picking up on it I just hope most of them see it the way I DO and try to do some thing about it before it is to late.
It is the Dover town council s ball on friday I am going and i will be talking alot about this one.