17 August 2010
13:3665882You`re quite right Howard about the "nice little earner" side of things.
However, the majority of this type of "assistance" wouldn`t be required in the first place if the HRA was done away with or suitably amended.
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17 August 2010
16:3965917Someone mentioned that if offenders from overseas were sent home, they may be released earlier than their given sentence.
They do that already here; hardly any of them (any prisoner, from any country) serve their full sentence, so that is not an argument for not sending them back.
To be allowed to stay here, the authorities must know what country people come from - that must be a condition of allowing them to remain here.
They must also be told that if they commit a crime - any crime, then they will be returned to their country and that must be kept to - no matter what.
Human Rights can only ever be a right, if accompanied by responsibilities - burglars must be responsible for their actions, as must muggers, murderers and rapists etc.
Roger
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17 August 2010
17:2965935Roger, the nice thing is that if we hand over the Somali thugs to the right regime in that part of the world they would never been seen again.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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17 August 2010
18:3165941what if they do not tell the truth about their country of origin, many failed asylum seekers continue to do so.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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17 August 2010
18:3265942what if they do not tell the truth about their country of origin, many failed asylum seekers continue to do so.
17 August 2010
19:5765954It can take years to repatriate simply because the country of origin refuses. It isn't all "do-gooders" etc, it is way more complex than that.
The alternative to do-gooders is do-badders, and I don't want to be one of them either! I can't believe there are civilised people on here prepared to do away with Human Rights because there are rogues and criminals that are not being dealt with. We pride ourselves on being civilised and often deride other, third world, countries because they behave as if they are in the middle ages. What do you think this kind of regressive attitude is? The protection is there for a reason and has taken 2000 years to put into place - we shouldn't knock it out of the way because we are failing to deal with challenging people and complex issues. Isn't that like the toddler throwing his ice cream down because he can't have his way and then wailing because he doesn't have his ice cream? bad things are done by good people as well as by bad people - life is more complex than "he done bad". If we can't manage the complexity we have no right to be legislating about it.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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17 August 2010
21:0165968i agree whole heartedly bern, bang them up then throw away the key.
Jan Higgins
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18 August 2010
10:3866008I believe any foreigner who commits a serious crime or even a string of petty crimes should be repatriated to their country of origin.
They should loose any civil rights they might have as they have deprived others of theirs with their criminal ways.
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19 August 2010
05:2266150A bit simplistic isn't it? "Crime" covers a multitude of events. And define "foreigner" - some would leap in and say anyone second generation counts as an alien. I haven't a problem with people being deported where it is appropriate but lets not assume it is a simlpe matter. Don't forget also the other end of the equation, the other country - many of them create real problems with accepting people.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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19 August 2010
08:1366152Well I am a simple person, not clever like you lot.
By crime I mean something you end up in court for. They should not deliberately break the laws of this land and stay in this country.
I should have said immigrant not foreigner, silly me.
I do not see how any country can refuse their own countrymen or passportholders. Deport them, even if they are to be thrown straight into prison for their political beliefs etc.
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19 August 2010
08:3666157Jan
What usually happens is the 'immigrant' normally disposes of all his/her identity papers so if caught it's very hard to 'prove' their country of origin. The foriegn embassies are reluntant to issue travel documents to anyone that refuses or they (the embassy) dispute the nationality of. Therefore this country ends up issuing them with a 'Stateless Travel Document' which allows them leave to remain in the UK for either a limited or indefinite period.
In the good old days we slung them back on the ferry from which they embarked with or without travel papers and informed the French that as they came from there they could have them back.The French PAF usually obtained (under polite interview and over a cup of coffee! ) the details they required to ship the illegals back to North Africa or from wherever they came etc but Thatcher changed the rules and signed the Treaty which prevented this very effective and low cost removal of immigrants.
Marek
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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19 August 2010
08:4866162quite right marek, lost documents are a winner, when there was war in bosnia everyone coming in from eastern europe claimed to be from there and then it was repeated in kosovo.
i remember reading that there were more asylum applications in western europe from "kosovans" than the entire population of kosovo.
nowadays we have the problem in reverse with people offering 2 or 3 different passports/driving licences when asked for identification.
19 August 2010
11:5666178Perhaps we should just lock them all up, keep them on minium survival rations, and wait to see how long it takes for them to ask for repatriation. It might take awhile for some, but the message will eventually get back that the UK is NOT the land of milk, honey and handouts.
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19 August 2010
16:1966191In London, gangs of immigrants go regularly running around armed with knives and clubs executing people. What the heck they are doing in this country, I do not know! Fling 'em out!
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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19 August 2010
18:5366194Marek...
That was why I used the term foreigner in my earlier post rather than immigrant. I was thinking of those like the 'Somali thugs' that John was talking about.
When we know where they come from they should be deported. We are too soft a touch in this country.
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19 August 2010
21:3166222Off with their heads! Send for the Ghurkas!!
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19 August 2010
22:2266233Do they really Alexander?
What is your evidence?
What is the source of your evidence?
On a slightly different note, I see the French can and will deal with immigrants by deporting them, when it suits them or they are perceived to be a problem for the French
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