Guest 693- Registered: 12 Nov 2009
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Barry
I think that there is a difference between Australia and Great Britain insofar as Australia has room for immigrants and we don't. It seems barmy to me that, in order to find room for immigrants, we have to build development areas like Whitfield New Town. Less is more, and all that.
True friends stab you in the front.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Andy - yes of course they have room for them and in Australia they have a well operated points system backed up by a limit.
Vic was trying to say that a points system targetting workers that we need here, backed by a limit, will not work - of course it can work, that is the point I am making.
What is not practical and is economically damaging is a total ban on immigrants.
Guest 693- Registered: 12 Nov 2009
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Whilst I think you're right, Barry, I do believe in a moratorium on immigration until such time as the Coaltion have sorted all this out. There are enough unskilled workers available from within the EU for employers to use as minimum wage earners, and I don't believe all avenues have been tried in sourcing skilled British labour; I accept that there will be exceptions to that generally sweeping statement, but I see little harm in putting the whole process on hold for however long it takes HMG to finalise numbers, in fact it may do some good by making employers look for British talent rather than take an easier option by finding foreign workers through the employment agencies that exist for this very thing.
True friends stab you in the front.
Jimmy Long,
I know that lesbians tend to be quite tactile (well they were in the video I saw)- you merely appear rather touchy today. PMT?
p.s. it's 'their arrogance' not 'there arrogance'.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Andy - that is the aim, to force employers to get local unemployed jobs. The problem is that the immigration issue is not clear cut, there is a lot of grey and you cannot simply issue a full ban. There are skill shortages that cannot well be filled, not in the short term, with local labour. I am totally against unfettered immigration and would want it to be as low as is practical but zero in a nonsense, it would be unworkable.
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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barrw,try going down to the local jokecenter oops sorry jobcenter and go there touch screens and try and find a well paid local job.
Brian, the definition of well paid surely depends on the individual. Ergo, what is well paid to you or me may be totally underpaid for someone like PoshBarry.
I am sure the JobCentre has adequately paid jobs as their website testifies. The problem is 'encouraging' the layabouts to go to work and break the cycle of state dependance.
Anyone know what happened to the 17 illegals we rescued the other day? Have they been sent back yet? If not, why not?
Alec Sheldon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 18 Aug 2008
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I was discharged from the William Harvey hospital at Ashford this afternoon after a successful total hip replacement. I have nothing but praise for all the staff who treated me from surgeons to tea ladies. If it wasn't for immigration that hospital would grind to a halt and that includes sugeons and tea ladies.
I believe that we are short of surgeons and nurses because our own (who have been trained by the NHS) up sticks and move abroad for richer pickings. It's a free market of course so that is why we have to import people to replace them.
The day that I was assessed for the operation I had to wait adjacent to the kitchen that provides all the tea trolleys for the patients and all the workers making up the tea trolleys were Phillipinos. (I like Phillipinos Marek before you go blasting off). Surely we don't advertise in the Phillipino press for tea ladies and men, I thought that people had to have some qualification before getting a work visa.
Where are our own tea ladies , have they upped sticks and moved abroad for richer pickings?. I doubt it. We know where they are and they don't want to work for the minimum wage. There were some English tea ladies but they seemed to be in the minority.
Having been into areas of allegedly high unemployment I usually find that I am served my coffee by Eastern Europeans.
Apparently they can turn up a number of days on the trot and be fairly sober.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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good to hear you are still with us alec, will be a while before you are up and about though.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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sid,as i said to barry go to the joke center and look at the jobs on offer,let me know if you find one.
welcome back alec,you take it easy now wont you.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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You dont find jobs in job centres Brian - what a strange idea. You find jobs from the press, private employment agencies or better still through contacts and people you know. Job Centres....no, unheard of.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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There are still jobs out there but you have to go and find them,I was never out of work from the age of 15 to 67 and I am still asked vic we have work for you,and if I could I would.
It is alot harder today then what it was but some jobs are always there, they might not be the jobs you like to do but a job is a job better then not having one at all,and i am sorry to say there are some out there who just do not want to work and to them I hope they are made to, but along with that the job must carry a working wage.
Agree 100% Vic.
Jobcentre website has hundred of jobs listed. A visit to the local Jobcentre to use their facilities gives immediate access to these vacancies. It requires lifting ar$e from seat and doing something though.
Guest 673- Registered: 16 Jun 2008
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Regarding those who do not work because they are better off if they stay on benefits, this is a speech made back in the great depression of the thirties:
Lord Inchcape's (chairman of P&O) address at the P&O annual meeting in 1931, received the following comments in Blue Peter magazine:-
In the present conditions of the country's fortunes his call for a halt in the Government's expenditure has been re-echoed and endorsed by the newspaper press throughout the Kingdom. Speaking of the present absurd levels of taxation he said:
"This raid on the fruits of industry and thrift, this expropriation of capital which should remain as a source of reproductive trade and national wealth, is in itself a sufficient cause of regret; but a worse aspect of the matter is that a large part of the reckless plunder, instead of being applied to intensive reduction of the national debt is dispensed with too lavish a hand in the payment of doles.......In the hard times through which the country is passing a measure of relief is inevitable and necessary; but few will be found to dispute that relief which approaches too nearly and in some instances oversteps, the wages level is, morally and financially, a sin against the people. It is truly a rake's progress."
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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barryw/sid thats why its called a joke center.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i hadn't realised that "dole" was around in 1931, i thought it all started with the welfare state straight after the war.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
thats the nhs you were thinking about howard.
Dear Bob,
As promised I am throwing myself to the mercies of the forum members.
You were correct in your use of the word dyke and I missed the point completely.
My only explanation is my interpretation of the word dyke which in scotland means to build a barrier or a moat to serve the same purpose of restricting movement.
Will I ever be accepted as an upright member ever again??
Guest 687- Registered: 2 Jun 2009
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It isn't the immigrants taking all the jobs you should worry about, its old gits like me who refuse to retire.Two years past retirement and still driving a 'puddle jumper'around Europe.