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    Roger, maybe your vision of what needs doing actually doesn't get to the crux of the problem. I don't know for sure, but clearly there appears to be insufficient backing for your ideas which rather suggests to me that there is a bigger scheme of things to deal with if we are to get the results we all want.

    Who knows, once we have a workable and deliverable strategic plan for Dover your suggestions may get air time and consequently more support.

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